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Ta-Ta Toothie said:

This seems effective.

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This instruction is for sfp scope, does the op have a sfp or ffp scope.

Make diopter adjustments at lowest magnification on sfp scope and highest magnification on ffp scope.

JimNM said:

MOA and MRAD (aka:MIL) have ZERO to do with accuracy. Accuracy is in the ballistics.

MOA and MRAD are measures of resolution. An accurate gun with a crappy scope is still an accurate gun. A crappy gun with a great scope is still a crappy gun. The two variables do not correlate.

Sorry to drag the topic away from the OP. I will go quietly back to my corner.

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Seriously. This has been beatin lmao! Back to POI!

NamibRose said:

It also depends on what scope you have. In example a 1/4 MOA scope might not show a POI change at 100 yards as much as what a 1/10th MOA scope would.

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This is a very common misconception that MIL is more accurate than MOA and it simply isn’t. MOA in the clock face is a smaller unit of measurement over distance, even though MIL has more clicks. MIL is used and adopted by the military and competition because it’s the most used worldwide, that is the best benefit, over than mathematically MIL is often easier for dial rotation calculations for long distance in your head.

I have found that I have had to change mt left hand grip on my FX Boss. I now place my left hand on top of the stock between the cheek piece and the butt plate. Prior to that I had used the hold similar to the one described in the OP.

Ron

lonedave said:

Does this stock save some weight over the original? That would be a very nice!

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Yes, my OEM stock weights 2lbs 6oz . These weight 3lbs 8oz

HW45 in .22 at about 6 FPE. You’ll want to practice before shooting at a live animal. They are very accurate once you figure out the hold.

Only $140?
With little support and no parts, this could be considered a real bargain?

I love the Athlon scopes I have had, but I would not take any of them over my fixed power Sightron target scopes.

JimNM said:

I do believe your are mistaken.

1/4 MAO at 100y = .26 inch
1/10 mil at 100y =.36 inch

Ipso Facto, one click on a standard MOA scope is smaller than 1 click on the standard 1/10 mil scope.

It matters not what a scope will "show" in this question, rather how far the cross hair moves for each click. The "show" would be a matter of zoom power.

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The problem of poi shift isn’t just related to the barrel. The problem with many fx guns is the number of action parts that are bolted together and move in different temperatures. If you ever shot a poorly bedded action on a pb then had it glass bedded you would understand what im saying.

I use Sightron SIII’s on my rimfire benchrest rifles, 36x and 45x. My 6mm BR carries a Vortex Golden Eagle which I find superior to the Sightron.
Any advice about Vortex on springers?

It looks like a sporter class silhouette rifle.

Other wise known as the PP700z great little pistol. I bought a few and sold them to friends. Love the 31 grain BBT cast bullets in stock form.

Jay308 said:

For PB’s you better confirm zero the next day.

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Cold barrel POI shift on PB is not a forgone conclusion. Well made barrels, with excellent throats and chambering, proper stocks/chassis/bedding are much less susceptible to POI. I have very little if any cold barrel issues from my custom PBs, especially with the correct proper hand loads.

So this approach is somewhat similar to the REPR regulator on the Leshiy2 where an external pressure gauge can be screwed in and a special tool is used for regulator adjustments (done externally on the L2). I'd have preferred a permanently mounted regulator gauge on the Slash along with an external control for the regulator which didn't require removing the cover plate first.

Many people will be satisfied to find a sweet regulator/pellet/fpe combination for hunting and leave it set for consistency.
I prefer to vary the power settings more frequently, bouncing between lower to reduce the sound levels for close targets, and higher to test FPE & performance for different pellets.

The need for an additional 'power kit' for extra low (under 12FPE ?) or higher than standard power settings surprised me at first. Though I've changed out enough washers in output regulators on air tanks and swapped out hammer springs to understand why is would be necessary for the more extreme settings.

Two other questions of big interest to many concern the sound levels. Not only do we need some accurately tested sound results at different FPE levels, but also some customer feedback whether or not there is a substantial Ping or other loud noise made close to the shooters ear on firing. I ended up selling my 1st bull pup because of an unacceptable ping/bang/whoosh noise next to my ear when firing. So far I haven't heard any 1st hand impressions on the new Slash other than vendor assurances that it has an effective shroud.

I think that the Huben K1 does pretty well on both of these sound questions, and the standard Leshiy2 shroud works pretty well at lower powers. I am very curious for a direct Huben K1-to-Slash sound comparison since I view the K1 as the main performance and cost competitor for the Slash. The L2 has substantial noise and air flow back near the the magazine when fired. But the shooters ear isn't resting on the L2's stock near the magazine when shooting, so it doesn't sound all that loud to the shooter compared to a loud ping from some bull pup designs. The L2 and the Slash both occupy similar price ranges when new, while a K1 costs about 25% less than either of those when new.

It'll also be interesting to see how many Slash end up in the classifieds a year from now. There was a wave of Leshiy2s in the classifieds for awhile as early buyers moved them along for something else. Lately is seems like there are fewer L2s on offer. And K1s come up for resale in the classifieds, though it seems to me like slightly more GK1s on offer recently.

It'll be another year or two before we know how well the Slash model line will hold up. Sometimes I see posts by younger (than me anyway) airgunners asking why anyone would be selling their 'almost new, top of the line' airgun purchased within the previous year. It isn't always because the owner was dissatisfied with the airgun. Many of the people who buy 1st release airguns are older and money isn't the big deal it was for them as young adults. The clock is ticking for them and now they can finally afford to own a bunch of expensive airguns all at the same time. They are often more interested in checking out a new product than in actually using it for anything, especially since they usually have a few fine airguns already gathering dust from lack of use. So they buy and sell a few airguns most years just to keep things interesting and they don't care very much if they sell at a loss. Churning through airguns is just another entertainment cost for them, and any money lost from selling an airgun is merely a rental cost for being able to own another fine airgun for awhile. Personally, if I had my choice I'd rather be young and broke again. Well, young anyway, the broke part was difficult.

Now, if they'd just get busy and design these *** airguns so they don't use any O-Rings that can fail. Firearms manage that with vastly higher internal pressures and usually for a considerably lower cost than airguns. I hate replacing O-rings, they are the main reason that most airguns cannot be depended on to perform 100% of the time in emergencies.

JP

elh0102 said:

If you shoot 20 rounds to zero a cartridge rifle, the barrel heat will affect POI to the point of influencing an incorrect zero. Depending on barrel profile and stock fitment, the effect can be minor or substantial. But I agree, whether air rifle or firearm, most of us don't shoot enough to yield good results when sighting in.

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I think most do it with cool downs every so many. Yeah otherwise you will be off on that cold bore shot on an animal.
I just don’t think it’s that unusual to have to slightly adjust your scope after a period of inactivity. See it and experience it all the time. I think that natural tendency gets blamed on the gun.

The simple act of sorting weight of pellets and slugs has greatly reduced POI for me. I know many haven’t had much success with sorting but it has made a difference in data for me. I shoot my pellet category weights and my SD and spreads are better and subsequent my POI consistency is better I noticed on all my airguns all the manufacturers I own.

With that said, my most consistent POI shift comes from ambient temperature. I have confirmed this many many times. But I live where shifts in daily temps are often 30 degrees or more from morning to afternoon. Thankfully it has never been so bad that it has caused me problems while hunting morning to afternoon for the most part.

It also depends on what scope you have. In example a 1/4 MOA scope might not show a POI change at 100 yards as much as what a 1/10th MOA scope would.

I can confirm the vale rods are exactly the same length.

Thank you so much for your response. I highly appreciate it.

AGN225 said:

The smaller silhouette targets have more 'Risk' to hit them, but more points 'Reward' when hit.
(I couldn't think of a better name - does anyone have a suggestion?)

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Okay. I understand the concept. Upon my first read I didn’t grasp that at each silhouette stage the shooter had only ten shots and therefore had to choose which of the 20 targets to shoot. My initial confusion was based on my own lack of reading comprehension . That does sound like a fun method for shooting silhouettes and I think your name/title of “risk and reward” is very fitting. Thanks,
Kenny

Rick it was a great match! I appreciate you and Doug setting it up.

The target on the post was fun. It made for a very challenging shot sneaking the Pellet between the weeds.

Team Iconic (AKA Team Benjamin)

John