WHERE IS THE QUALITY ?

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Hitting the bull with a 22lr at 50 yards is no big deal. But look at it this way. How about hitting the bull at 50 yards with a bow? (You can get a bow at Wal-Mart for $45) How much would you have to spend to get a bow good enough to hit consistently at 50 yards? That's because the task is much more difficult with the bow and it has to be a much higher end piece of equipment.

Well an airgun is like that bow. It takes very high quality machining to get the consistency with a pellet gun. And there is no way around it. That is going to COST you. 

Comparing 22lr capabilities and cost with an airgun is the same as comparing a garbage disposal with a blender. They ain't the same.

Just my 2 cents of course.

Crusher
 
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I’d say shooting small targets like ground squirrel heads at 100 yards ( 1 MOA) with an Airgun is equivalent to 600 yards with a powder burner. I say that because with a .30 cal Airgun zero’d at 50 yards, my drop at 100 yards is about 3.5 to 4 mil dots. With my Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5mm, zero’d at 100 yards, I have about a 4 mil dot drop at 600 yards. The effect of wind is also very similar at those two distances. Of course, the target at 600 yards is also 1 MOA, or about 6 inches. 
 
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chill chill chill My suggestion is watch what the (TOP GUNS) on this forum are using weather it be a pcp or bb, their pellets , grain, scopes, ect. You don't have to break the bank to get performance & results. It will save you a lot of $$$ in the long run, even these guys & gals have had there bad day but not me (LOL). practice practice practice and one day you'll have a smile on that face. Just remember you get what you pay for & everything has at least one lemon. But sometimes it's the shooter been there done that
 
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Jon222,
There is quality to be had out there...the actual end game here and with shooting in general is "hitting the mark"(accuracy)...

A combination of several things: barrel, ammo, power plant, trigger, design/fit of stock and sights all interface with the shooter aiding or detracting from accuracy...experience teaches a shooter what he needs to hit his mark....(a light trigger, perfect pellets, match grade barrel, excellent optics)

Unfortunately, as you apparently noticed, the airgun market is somewhat flooded with fraudulent products....for cheap.....most of us don't have the money or time to burn sorting guns, pellets and scopes out...forums and reviews are invaluable for learning and saving your money...

Those of us responding to your post don't know your level of experience with airguns... or exactly what your shooting intentions are. I want you to have a good airgun experience....read this forum and ask lots of questions we will steer you to the quality and away from mistakes and rip-offs.
 
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I can hit a small target at 50 yards with all of my airguns, some cheap, some expensive. You have to realize that better airguns have better fit and finish, better triggers and sights. Same for rimfires. Hitting the target is all dependent on the nut behind the trigger. Practice more. Use pellets that your gun likes. Rimfire guns like some ammo better than others. I find that most air rifles are pretty accurate out of the box, so I couldn't condemn them
 
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This is a very vague post. I don’t think half the readers even know what you are asking exactly.

Do you mean you can’t find accurate air guns sub 300$??? Because I can assure you, you can. Air gunning takes experience and knowledge. A simple bad o ring or too much factory lube can completely change your results.

That at being said. I hope you figure out what exactly your issue is and get it resolved. Good luck!
 
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@Jon222, I've had some real stinkers in my hands over the past 5 years of shooting air guns as an adult. Guns with triggers that practically needed a crowbar to lever them back far enough to fire, pellets that were only vaguely round and skirted and had the flight characteristics of a Meadowlark, spring piston actions that when fired sounded like the Hee Haw orchestra tuning up their banjos and singin' saws; I've struggled with all of these things as I poked about the cheap end of the air gun market. It was only when I found AGN and began to learn about ballistic coefficients, barrel crowns, o-ring issues, moly grease, and so many more critical topics in airgunning that I realized that not all of my accuracy issues were my own. Once that truth sank in, I began looking for ways to find improvement, even at the cheap end of the market. Trigger fixes for Crosman rifles, better lubing for any piston system, discovering which pellets my guns "like" best, use of the Artillery Hold... lots of stuff I'd never considered or heard of in spite of being around the shooting sports since Boy Scouts in my youth.

The most important thing I learned here on AGN is not to make someone else's level of performance the standard for me. I love watching Si Pittaway and Davey Thomas of VerminHuntersTV on YouTube as they shoot their way through Britain's pests and small game. But I can't replicate Si's brilliant shooting or Davey's skill in gunsmithing. Instead I take what clues I can and work to translate them to my $80 Walmart break barrel shooting CPHPs and Hatsan Supremes. As I see incremental improvement in my shooting I take heart and look for more clues to continue the trend. That, I think, is the best advice I can give anyone getting into airgunning: just get started with what you have to hand and make incremental improvement your goal. Believe me, I cringe now when I think about how excited I was to actually hit a gallon milk jug at 50 yards using a magnum springer. Yet that excitement back then is part of why I now challenge myself with 1" bottle tops at 50 yards with a spring rifle. Build strength upon strength and skill upon skill, all the while celebrating the incremental improvements, and leave the irredeemable junk in the past.
 
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I can see where your going with costs. Federal .22 40 grain is showing up at !6.00 per box of 325. Compare that to a 18.00 tin of JSB's some 500 count or 350. Jump to a 44 grain 30 cal and your only getting a150 per tin. I don't know what the shipping or import fees are, but with brass, powder, primers, and in most cases more lead the bullets appear as a bargain. The air guns are more complex in their designs, and sell way less in volume of the powder burners. Since 1964 I read something about 7 million 10/22's with the exception of a few airguns, they are usually remodeled or upgraded as technology increases, and customer attention declines. Take a carbon fiber bottle, aluminum, carbon fiber, epoxy, and a stainless valve a 500 cc bottle is not much less than one can get a generic Asian mountain bike frame and fork. Air guns are gaining in popularity, more retailers, innovations, like the cheaper compressors are popping up. It's an exciting time for the air gun industry. With shooting restrictions in some areas it's the only thing allowed.
 
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