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    If the fix is like I’m imagining from the description. I have to admit I’m with Muskrat.
    I wouldn’t be happy with that (an oring on the barrel OUTSIDE of the shroud). And if the shroud wasn’t functioning like it should, then it should be replaced. 
    You think Kalibrgun would fix it like that with an additional oring (if sent to them for the warranty work in-house by their standards)……nope!

    I don’t think anyone will dispute o-ring use in airguns; they are used all over airguns and work great, but with a life span (that’s to be expected).
    But it’s the placement of the o-ring (if I’m right about where Muskrat is saying where they used an o-ring) that isn’t the cleanest fix/repair.
    If I was paying pretty good money for one of the higher end pcp’s…..I wouldn’t want it fixed like that either. 
    I would take Neil up on his offer machining a groove for the oring!

    I think it would be worth reaching out to AOA and tactfully tell them your not happy & see what they have to say.
    I agree until it is resolved one way or another between the two parties first……it probably isn’t best to post about it.
    (Call or email them & see what they say). 

    Muskrat….is this where the oring is?

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    Sounds like the o-ring is not inserted on the ID of the LCD (like on the LCD Neil made for my AirWolf).  If this is correct and it is visible after the LCD is threaded on, this is not the correct fix and it should go back.

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    I’m following this thread with an open mind. I am trying to think of a proper O-ring application that when it is used as a pressure seal, any part of the oring can be seen.  Shouldn’t an oring be completely covered to function properly?
    I might be wrong and someone please correct me if I am.  Thanks.

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    Neil made a shroud for my bobcat, it has the oring that yall are talking about. i cant see it when shroud is on the gun but i remember it bing there. The shroud works good and i am pleased with it. 
    The oring is no problem to me, it is necessary. 
    Thanks Neil

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    “pbguns”If the fix is like I’m imagining from the description. I have to admit I’m with Muskrat.
    I wouldn’t be happy with that (an oring on the barrel OUTSIDE of the shroud). And if the shroud wasn’t functioning like it should, then it should be replaced. 
    You think Kalibrgun would fix it like that with an additional oring (if sent to them for the warranty work in-house by their standards)……nope!

    I don’t think anyone will dispute o-ring use in airguns; they are used all over airguns and work great, but with a life span (that’s to be expected).
    But it’s the placement of the o-ring (if I’m right about where Muskrat is saying where they used an o-ring) that isn’t the cleanest fix/repair.
    If I was paying pretty good money for one of the higher end pcp’s…..I wouldn’t want it fixed like that either. 
    I would take Neil up on his offer machining a groove for the oring!

    I think it would be worth reaching out to AOA and tactfully tell them your not happy & see what they have to say.
    I agree until it is resolved one way or another between the two parties first……it probably isn’t best to post about it.
    (Call or email them & see what they say). 

    Muskrat….is this where the oring is?

    
Yes. Thank you, that is where the o ring is.

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    “Muskrat.”

    “pbguns”If the fix is like I’m imagining from the description. I have to admit I’m with Muskrat.
    I wouldn’t be happy with that (an oring on the barrel OUTSIDE of the shroud). And if the shroud wasn’t functioning like it should, then it should be replaced. 
    You think Kalibrgun would fix it like that with an additional oring (if sent to them for the warranty work in-house by their standards)……nope!

    I don’t think anyone will dispute o-ring use in airguns; they are used all over airguns and work great, but with a life span (that’s to be expected).
    But it’s the placement of the o-ring (if I’m right about where Muskrat is saying where they used an o-ring) that isn’t the cleanest fix/repair.
    If I was paying pretty good money for one of the higher end pcp’s…..I wouldn’t want it fixed like that either. 
    I would take Neil up on his offer machining a groove for the oring!

    I think it would be worth reaching out to AOA and tactfully tell them your not happy & see what they have to say.
    I agree until it is resolved one way or another between the two parties first……it probably isn’t best to post about it.
    (Call or email them & see what they say). 

    Muskrat….is this where the oring is?

    
Yes. Thank you, that is where the o ring is.

    Glad I got it correct. 
    I think that’s what Neil didn’t understand (he is trying to argue the use of an o-ring, but its the placement not the use that’s the problem). 

    And I still very agree with you…..that’s not an acceptable fix.

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    All of this back and forth could have been prevented if the OP had posted a picture of the problem, and not just said the O-ring was sitting on the barrel, or if he had worded it more carefully and made it quite clear the O-ring was outside of the shroud and just used as a seal between the back of the shroud and the scope tower. That is certainly NOT the correct way to fix it, but as I said this is such a small fix for someone who knows what they are doing I would be happy to turn a groove in the back end cap and install a rubber O-ring in it for the OP for no cost, it is the best way to fix this, if they get him a replacement shroud these are all mass produced and not individually  fitted to each barrel, so he could get a shroud with the same excessive clearance and problem with air escaping out of the back of the shroud, Neil.

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    @NeilClague 
    You sir, are an amazingly generous and caring individual, I tip my hat to you. 

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    “NeilClague”All of this back and forth could have been prevented if the OP had posted a picture of the problem, and not just said the O-ring was sitting on the barrel, or if he had worded it more carefully and made it quite clear the O-ring was outside of the shroud and just used as a seal between the back of the shroud and the scope tower. That is certainly NOT the correct way to fix it, but as I said this is such a small fix for someone who knows what they are doing I would be happy to turn a groove in the back end cap and install a rubber O-ring in it for the OP for no cost, it is the best way to fix this, if they get him a replacement shroud these are all mass produced and not individually  fitted to each barrel, so he could get a shroud with the same excessive clearance and problem with air escaping out of the back of the shroud, Neil.

    Stand up offering to help another forum member Neil (good on ya brother)!

    I didn’t have a problem understanding him without pictures, and the guy did try to post pics early on in the thread.
    Stated he was away from his PC and couldn’t, even asked if any members could be emailed a picture of his gun & post on his behalf.
    *Sorry muskrat I just read that part or I would have offered my email to post for you.

     

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    Sorry Muskrat, i didnt understand where the o ring was either. 

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    PB he just said the O-ring was sitting on the barrel, not once did he refer to it being outside of the shroud. Many shrouds just sit on rubber o-rings, the Marauders are one of them. I thought they might have omitted to cut the o-ring grove and just slid the o-ring on the barrel and then slid the shroud over the o-ring. It would have been so easy to say that the o-ring was outside of the shroud and just used as a spacer between the shroud and the scope tower.  In any even I think the complaint should have been addressed with AOA before it was posted on here and if he could not get satisfaction from them it should have been posted on the dealer feedback page and not on this forum,  Either way this has got blown out of all proportion for something that is such an easy fix and one that would be better than the factory design.  Neil.

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    “NeilClague”PB he just said the O-ring was sitting on the barrel, not once did he refer to it being outside of the shroud. Many shrouds just sit on rubber o-rings, the Marauders are one of them. I thought they might have omitted to cut the o-ring grove and just slid the o-ring on the barrel and then slid the shroud rover the o-ring. It would have been so easy to say that the o-rings was outside of the shroud and just used as a spacer between the shroud and the scope tower.  In any even I think the complaint should have been addressed with AOA before it was posted on here and if he could not get satisfaction from them it should have been posted on the dealer feedback page and not on this forum,  Either way this has got blown out of all proportion for something that is such an easy fix and one that would be better than the factory design.  Neil.

    
Well said Neil.

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    “NeilClague”All of this back and forth could have been prevented if the OP had posted a picture of the problem, and not just said the O-ring was sitting on the barrel, or if he had worded it more carefully and made it quite clear the O-ring was outside of the shroud and just used as a seal between the back of the shroud and the scope tower. That is certainly NOT the correct way to fix it, but as I said this is such a small fix for someone who knows what they are doing I would be happy to turn a groove in the back end cap and install a rubber O-ring in it for the OP for no cost, it is the best way to fix this, if they get him a replacement shroud these are all mass produced and not individually  fitted to each barrel, so he could get a shroud with the same excessive clearance and problem with air escaping out of the back of the shroud, Neil.

    
Neil, if your offer still stands I would like to take you up on it. Thank you 

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    Muskrat I don’t make offers and then withdraw them, unless the person treats me like an a===hole. By all means send the shroud to me and I will install an O-ring in the back end cap for you, if you have some calipers and can give me the barrel OD I can make sure it is a good fit, Click on my banner add, my mailing address is on there, all the best, Neil.

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    Honestly this should have been taken up with AOA before posting here but that being said I’d go down the Neil Clague road.  He made something for my AirWolf which was awesome and very, very quiet.  It had the o-ring groove machined into the ID of the LCD as it should be.  I have a .25 RAW on the way with their double length LCD, and if it’s not quiet enough I’m heading over to Neil for something better 👍 

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    What will the new modification do for your warranty coverage?  In an earlier post you said you bought it brand new for $1200. I am assuming it is still under warranty.
    I also wonder what AOA will do the nexttime they encounter the same problem on another gun.

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    Sprocket installing an o-ring in the shroud should not effect the warranty on the gun, it has nothing to do with the mechanical workings of the gun. The Crickets are very good rifles, but they are still mass produced so they do not make the shrouds and barrels to exact tolerances, this being the case it makes perfect sense for them to design them with rubber o-rings that can make up for these slight differences in tolerances. Lets face it, what is his option, he either needs to send the gun back and ask for a refund, accept the less than satisfactory fix they have done, or have the fix done correctly. It is not rocket science, it will take me a matter of minutes to fix. If they were to try and void the warranty because of this fix  I think that would hurt their reputation and business greatly. It is really no different to them adding an o-ring to the barrel, only it will be done correctly, Neil.

    PS, for his own peace of mind  he could always contact AOA and tell them he his very unhappy with what they have done and tell them I have offered to install an o-ring correctly for him, if this will void their warranty he would like to return the gun for a refund, that way the ball is put in their court. . 

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    Ok, thanks Neil.  I think it is great what you are doing for the guy.  To me this thread has strengthened this forum by proving the reason most of us come here.  We are looking for help, advice,and good, constructive conversation concerning our sport.  This thread covers all of that.
     

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    This thread makes me want to do business with Neil more than anything…….

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    ive done business with Neil , and will again.

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