Squirrel Hunting yesterday

I'm new to this site and air gunning. I recently purchased a Benjamin Marauder .25. I really like the way it shoots. My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday. The day before I shot 5. 2 of these were shot at 44 yards. That Marauder sure is accurate straight out of the box!
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Just having some fun with you LSS152. I think it is terrific that you are hunting with your daughter. Mine is 33 year old and is just now getting interested in hunting. My son (37) had hunted with me since he could walk. I'm a retired wildlife director and commissioned wildlife officer. I'm sort of accustomed to noticing legal details.

Oh, and what shoes? Ha!
 
"LSS152"My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday. The day before I shot 5.


If they shot a total of 15 and we take away the 8 he shot and the 4 she shot then we are left with 3. It is not difficult to see that in order for him to convince himself that he did not go over the bag limit for the day that he would just add the extra 3 to his 5 from the day before. Adding the bags from the two days shooting, and then dividing by the number of days hunted, in this case it is 2 days, gives you his average bag per day. 
5 from the first day
+8 from the second day
+3 extra from the second day
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16 total squirrels shot
16 / 2 = 8 the average number of squirrels shot per day ==> This is not how bag limits work is all I was saying.

This is a 1st grade word problem at best.
 
"Adam"
"LSS152"My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday. The day before I shot 5.





If they shot a total of 15 and we take away the 8 he shot and the 4 she shot then we are left with 3. It is not difficult to see that in order for him to convince himself that he did not go over the bag limit for the day that he would just add the extra 3 to his 5 from the day before. Adding the bags from the two days shooting, and then dividing by the number of days hunted, in this case it is 2 days, gives you his average bag per day. 
5 from the first day
+8 from the second day
+3 extra from the second day
-----
16 total squirrels shot
16 / 2 = 8 the average number of squirrels shot per day ==> This is not how bag limits work is all I was saying.

This is a 1st grade word problem at best.



Ok... Lets have a look at this first grade word problem again:

My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday.
The day before I shot 5.

Later on he says he shot eight and she shot four. Clearly he has made a mistake, either they took 12 total on the second day or she took seven. If she took seven, we get the following. If she took four the only thing that changes is the total number of squirrels taken and that becomes LESS.


So unless we are doing some kind of "really new, new math" that makes 20 squirrels total over a two day period.

Now the limit is apparently 8 squirrels per hunter per day. So the OP took 5 squirrels the first day, which is less than his limit. So he is legal on day one. He took five, his limit was 8, he is legal. That is the solution for the first grade word problem on the first day of hunting. That ends that problem. It is no longer part of the problem because it was yesterday...

The limit resets on day two. The OPs limit is again 8 squirrels for day two and his daughters limit is also 8 squirrels for day two. Their total limit is 16 squirrels, eight for dad, eight for daughter. This means that they missed taking their limit for day two by 1 squirrel. They are again legal. That is the solution for the first grade word problem for the second day of hunting.

That is how limits work.
 
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 My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday.
The day before I shot 5.

Later on he says he shot eight and she shot four. Clearly he has made a mistake, either they took 12 total on the second day or she took seven.

Or the op shot the other 3 that day. And yes, the situations you presented do fall under the 8 per day bag limit, but that is not what the original post said. You even admit that then change the variables to make your math work, just like the op did when he got asked about the high number that was taken on the second day. You simply assumed he was being honest and made a mistake and I assumed he made a mistake and lied to cover it. We obviously deal with very different people on a daily basis.
 
"Adam"
 My daughter and I shot 15 yesterday.
The day before I shot 5.

Later on he says he shot eight and she shot four. Clearly he has made a mistake, either they took 12 total on the second day or she took seven.

Or the op shot the other 3 that day. And yes, the situations you presented do fall under the 8 per day bag limit, but that is not what the original post said. You even admit that then change the variables to make your math work, just like the op did when he got asked about the high number that was taken on the second day. You simply assumed he was being honest and made a mistake and I assumed he made a mistake and lied to cover it. We obviously deal with very different people on a daily basis.
Welp, I didn't ever see a post where he claimed more than 8 per day for himself or for his daughter. All I have to go on that is your word. I'm not willing to doubt your word any more than I am to doubt his word. I don't know either one of you.

You skipped part of my post, "If she took four the only thing that changes is the total number of squirrels taken and that becomes LESS." I do not change the variables to make my math work. The math works to his favor either way. That was the point of the sentence you left out of the quote. Either way you do the math, with the current fact set, he is legal.

I think the issue runs much deeper than who we deal with on a daily basis. It is about whom we are willing to call a liar behind the safety of a keyboard on teh interwebz. My grandpa once told me, "If you're gonna make assumptions about a man you don't know, you best first assume he can whup your ass. 'Cause that'll season the rest of your assumptions real good." He's gone twenty years now. Had an eighth grade education but he was the smartest man I ever met.

No matter how you look at it this horse is DEAD...
 
Let me take a step back and try this a different way. Let's continue with your breakdown and do away completely with the first day and the 5 taken. We are all in agreement that 1 man taking 5 in a day when 8 per person per day is the limit is perfectly fine. Now let's dissect the second day. There are 3 pieces of information or variables that we are given about that day. There were 15 total taken, he shot 8 and she shot 4. 8+4=12 and not 15 I think we all can see that. So there were some assumptions made, because one of the following has to be true:
a) 15 is an incorrectly reported number
b) 8 is an incorrectly reported number
c) 4 is an incorrectly reported number
We already established that if (c) were true there would be no issue, because we can add 3 to that total bag limit and get 7 staying below the 8 per person per day limit. Also that if (a) were true and he mistakenly reported more than what was taken and meant to report 12 as the total, there is no issue. What we are left with is an issue. It would be the situation where (b) is true and we would need to add 3 to that to give the total of 15 and 8+3=11 which is over the 8 per person per day bag limit. In that situation, situation (b) there is a common misunderstanding of the law and was the point I was trying to get at. It seems that you too have this misunderstanding as you said "Their total limit is 16 squirrels, eight for dad, eight for daughter."
If your bag limit is 8/day and there are 3 hunters hunting together, there is no group bag limit of 24. There are only 3 bag limits of 8. Once a hunter fills his bag, he cannot continue to hunt and help cross-eyed Fred fill his bag too. Below is excerpt from the page. It deals specifically with water fowl, but the part about how bag limits work is pertinent

http://www.ducks.org/Hunting/Waterfowl-Hunting-Tips/Waterfowlers-Notebook-Keeping-Legal
"It is each hunter's responsibility to know and abide by all the laws governing the hunting of migratory waterfowl," says Stephen Clark, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) resident agent in charge for Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Alabama. "And most hunters do this. There's just a small minority who make it necessary for us to be out there patrolling and encouraging hunters to stay on the right side of the law."Clark offers the following situations in which hunters might unwittingly violate waterfowl hunting regulations and subject themselves to criminal penalties: 

Shooting a Group Limit Each hunter is entitled to harvest only his or her personal daily bag limit
You are not allowed to help others obtain their limit or to continue shooting until everyone in the blind gets a limit. When you take your limit, you must stop shooting and become an observer while hunters who don't have a full limit continue to hunt. In addition, hunters must maintain possession of their own birds in the blind. Retrieved birds should not be piled together but immediately distributed to the hunters who harvested them. You should possess only the birds you shot. (A good idea is for each hunter to have his or her own game strap, so birds can be kept in possession of those who shot them.)


And you were right saying that you don't know me, that is probably the most accurate thing you said so far. It does however make me smile knowing the first thing you thought about me was that I could "whup your ass" ;) (ps thats a polio joke) Now normally if I call someone out and we're face to face, I offer my hand after the conversation. Since I honestly don't think I can explain myself better than I just did, I'm calling this my best effort and hoping for atleast a fist bump.
 
Waterfowl regulations are put in place by the states but under strict framework set by the US Fish and Wildlife Service because these birds are migratory and therefore shared across state and even international boundaries. (I was my state's representative for the Mississippi Flyway for 8 years). 

In most states bag and possession limits for small game, big game, and fish work pretty much the same way and are much like was described above for waterfowl. However, in some states one hunter may kill another hunter's bag limit (party hunting for deer for example in WI).

Most states have possession limits as well. These possession limits are generally 2 days bag, but still only a single day's bag may be taken in a day's time. Possession limits are in place so one can have some game in the freezer or if traveling to hunt over a weekend or so more game can be kept. A person can be cited for having more than the possession limit in their family freezer. Generally, this doesn't happen unless the officer suspects the person of violating more serious wildlife regulations though. In other words, freezer inspections wouldn't take place unless the potential offender was suspected of poaching.

For example, in KY the daily bag for squirrels is 6. My bag must be separate from someone hunting with me. The possession limit is 12 but only 6 can be taken in a single day. A person can't take 6 in the AM and 6 in PM hunt, only 6 during a single calendar day.

Again, these things vary from state to state.

 
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"Adam" 

Shooting a Group Limit Each hunter is entitled to harvest only his or her personal daily bag limit

The points you make here were understood by everyone involved in the conversation from the beginning... all of them were understood by everyone from the beginning.

We all understand that limits are per hunter per day... hence the use of the phrase "per hunter per day".

Since you are not going to let this horse rest in peace until you get a "fist bump" here it is, you have the tenacity of a snapping turtle. I concede that hunter limits are "per hunter per day".