Shooting Springers?

I have a RWS Diana 48 in .22 with a Konus Pro 8.5-25 X 44 scope, are there any springers that are easier to shoot than my 48? It seems I start a shooting session chasing the bulls eye and end shooting good groups. The next time I pick it up I start out wild and off out in left field chasing the bull again, then end up with good groups. I'm shooting off a front bag with the rifle resting on my open, relaxed palm with a soft grip and shoulder mount but I still have problems. Currently there is no way I could hunt with this rifle as it seem like every time I pick it up it's shooting somewhere different. I have about 1200 rounds through it, this is my first air rifle. 

With my Savage BTVLSS in .22 I've shot 5 shot groups in the 3/8" range at 50 yards and 10 shot groups well under 1" at 100 yards. My 22-250 will shoot 5 inside 3/8" at 100 yards and on ground hogs out to 450 (farthest I've shot it) yards it's instant death.

I understand springers are different animals but this thing is kicking my a$$ and I'm considering selling or stuffing it in the back of the safe and quitting air rifles.
 
I haven't shot a model 48, it is hard recoiling magnum springer and will take some technique to be able to shoot well. It sounds like you're on the right path with what you're doing so far as things improve during the course of your session. The weight of the model 48 should help offset the recoil and it's not uncommon for the gun end shooter to need a warm up when it comes to springers. 
You might try varying your hand position on the forearm to see how it affects your groups. Also try direct resting it on the bag and a firm hold, or different combinations, all springers are a little different as to what works best.
Having said all this, a lower powered Springer will be easier to shoot as a general rule. Something like an HW30 comes to mind.
Good luck and have fun,
John
 
Not trying to be Mr. Doom and Gloom but that is a HARD gun to shoot straight !!! Its so powerful that it is very hard to duplicate everything from shot to shot . 
One of the milder HW rifles as John recommended would be a great start . Or a Diana 34 possibly. My Buddy will take his to his grave !! 
I know there are guys who claim incredible , almost PCP accuracy from a Diana 48 or 52 but I've never seen it . 
With springers the more power , the less accuracy is kinda a rule of thumb . But Vortek makes a 12 ft lb spring setup I'm pretty sure that'll turn your Bucking Horse into and very gentle rifle . It literally will not feel like the same gun. 
Kinda pass up the Hatsans and Nitro Piston rifles if you are looking for a new springer ...Same boat, different pond 
 
Thanks guys, it's frustrating to shoot well then the next time out shoot like crap. The purpose of this rifle was to shoot sparrows, starlings and squirrels but being so hold critical I don't see how I can shoot it from different positions and make it work. I know the rifle will shoot, just not sure I want to devote the time to figure it out. At this point I'm thinking a PCP would've been a better option even though it's more expensive.

These were shot at 20 yards, 5 shots. The squares are 1".
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"1BadDart"Thanks guys, it's frustrating to shoot well then the next time out shoot like crap. The purpose of this rifle was to shoot sparrows, starlings and squirrels

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You are shooting about 2 MOA with that rifle. Mine has been tuned and only shoots better than that on good days. A factory out of the box D48 that shoots as good as yours is a happy find. It is not reasonable to compare 22-250s and other PBs to spring air rifles just as it is not reasonable to compare PCPs to PB rifles. They are different animals, used for different purposes and you ignore that at your own risk. So lets have a think about what you have there.

Your rifle seems to be shooting about one quarter inch center to center at 20 yards. That's going to be about an inch at 50 yards. You will be able to make body shots on squirrels out to about 60 yards with that rifle maybe a bit farther if the wind is light. You will be able to make head shots out to about 40 or 45 yards again if the wind is light. So you have a rifle that you can shoot in built up areas which can (if you mind your impact zone) reliably and quietly harvest squirrels and other pest animals out to 50 yards.

You don't have to pump it. You don't have to go to some "air" station. You don't have to own $500 - $1000 of additional hardware and equipment to operate it. What's not to like?

Meanwhile if you want a really sweet deal on a PCP keep your eye on that Gauntlet... that rifle is a game changer.
 
Call JM ( or whomever you like ) and get a tune kit. You will need a spring compressor, very nice rigs when tuned - down - a bit.
Had a JM "soft kit" in my 48/52 .177 Field Target rifle and have had a few .22's all great, a tune will make it less violent and should shrink your pretty decent group .

Now "another" springer that is easier to handle might be the TX 200, crazy good trigger - will go to 4oz - NO spring compressor needed- likely the most used springer in target ( Field Target anyway ) shooting. 

You 48 ius very easy to work on if you choose to.

John
 
I think I've found my problem (other than me). I purchased this rifle new and installed a Leupold VX3 4.5-14, 30mm tube with side focus scope on it, that's what I shot the groups in the photos with. The only problem was the scope didn't focus well at close ranges, especially at higher magnification. So I had a 8.5-25 Konus Pro on the shelf that had been on my .22, I didn't like the clarity at higher magnification so I had removed it and put my Mueller back on. The Konus was installed on the 48 and my problems started shortly, it would shoot a good group then move somewhere else. I'd chase the zero and after several shots it'd do it again. 

I shot it Saturday afternoon and my frustration was to the point that I wanted to baseball bat the rifle on a tree. After walking away and cooling off for an hour or so I resumed. This time I didn't worry about groups or chasing the zero, just focusing on my hold, good trigger management and maintaining point of aim. It became very clear then that my scope was junk. The target's I shoot most have a .113" bulls eye's, my shots were relaxed with clean trigger breaks and I was shooting all over the place. Sometimes I'm dense but the light did finally come on. I removed the Konus, reinstalled the Leupold and the rifle immediately started shooting groups again. I see a new Meuller 8-32 mil dot scope in this rifles future. 

I'm 56 and have been shooting powder burners all my life but this is my first air rifle. I knew the learning curve would be steep and it has been. It was frustrating to know that I had a rifle that would shoot and had in fact proven it, but I couldn't shoot it. I also shot bows most of my life and probably learned more about shooting from them than anything I've ever picked up. Some of the bows I've owned over the years were very finicky to shoot, any flaw in your form was magnified greatly. 

Thanks guys for the comments and advice.

Justin
 
Yes John, I was aware of the fact that these guns are scope killers. I contacted leupold before installing mine and was told "All of our scopes will be usable on that air rifle". I also contacted Optics planet about the Konus Pro and was told it would work. This AM I called Mueller and asked the same question, I was told the 8-32 X 44 was not air gun rated but they had sold several for springer air gun use and they held up. My next question was "If I install it on my air rifle and it breaks will you warranty it?" Yes was the answer.
Time will tell as I ordered the Mueller to replace the Leupold.

Thanks, Justin
 
The Mueller is not springer rated and probably will not last long on that rifle. Adjust the parallax shorter on the Leupold and put it back on. Look on youtube for instructions, basically you need to remove the lockring from the objective lens and adjust the lens carriage forward. You will lose your infinity adjustment, so only adjust it as far as it takes to get to your short range.
 
My Mueller just arrived, the first thing I did after unboxing it was take it out side to check the clarity. It's nice and clear through the magnification range just like the (Mueller) 4.5-14 on my rimfire is. There is no comparison to the Konus Pro, the Mueller's beat it hands down.

I called Mueller again after looking the scope over to verify they will warranty it if my 48 kills it. The gentleman said no problem and that it would be a good test for their scope. So I'm going to mount it and see what happens. If it dies I'll get it warrantied and move on to something else, if it holds up to the 48 it'll give springer shooters another reasonably priced alternative. 

My Leupold's have been flawless but not being able to focus close is a deal breaker. I looked on line to see if there was any info on how I could adjust it myself but didn't find anything. I also called Leupold, they can do it, but 25 yards is about as close as they can make it focus. 

Thanks guys for the advice, I'll report on how it goes, good or bad.

Justin
 
I mounted my scope this afternoon and after making sure it was on paper at 10 yards moved out to 25 yards. As normal I was wild as a buck deer in late October starting out but eventually settled down some. I worked a lot on grip, or the lack of, hand placement and trigger pull. Also I shot it straight off bags and found if I put the bag under the front action screw it will shoot decent groups. Anywhere else and it looks like I was shooting a shot gun. BTW, this rifle has a piece of 1/8" neoprene between it and the stock at the action screws, I need to order another scope base, the one I have is a UTG with 10° built in for barrel droop and I'm out of elevation.

All groups were from 25 yards.
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Not trying to be Mr. Doom and Gloom but that is a HARD gun to shoot straight !!! Its so powerful that it is very hard to duplicate everything from shot to shot .
One of the milder HW rifles as John recommended would be a great start . Or a Diana 34 possibly. My Buddy will take his to his grave !!
I know there are guys who claim incredible , almost PCP accuracy from a Diana 48 or 52 but I've never seen it .
With springers the more power , the less accuracy is kinda a rule of thumb . But Vortek makes a 12 ft lb spring setup I'm pretty sure that'll turn your Bucking Horse into and very gentle rifle . It literally will not feel like the same gun.
Kinda pass up the Hatsans and Nitro Piston rifles if you are looking for a new springer ...Same boat, different pond
I know this is an ancient thread but I have a M34 and love it. Have been shooting it since 98. What are your thoughts of the Diana 350 in .22? I understand its around 24 ft. lbs and will be well into the 8 pound range with a scope and mount. Already have a Hawke Vantage fixed 4x AO waiting for a new to you springer to appear. I was thinking a fixed power would stand a better chance on a stout springer. Also, I have developed a thing for older RWS break bbls. after finding a killer deal for a friend at a pawn shop.
 
I know this is an ancient thread but I have a M34 and love it. Have been shooting it since 98. What are your thoughts of the Diana 350 in .22? I understand its around 24 ft. lbs and will be well into the 8 pound range with a scope and mount. Already have a Hawke Vantage fixed 4x AO waiting for a new to you springer to appear. I was thinking a fixed power would stand a better chance on a stout springer. Also, I have developed a thing for older RWS break bbls. after finding a killer deal for a friend at a pawn shop.
The Vantage is the one Hawke scope to avoid on anything above 12fpe and that's straight from Hawke. Unless something changed the Vantage line is only rated for UP TO 12fpe on piston guns.
 
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