PCP or Spring gun?

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I keep hearing the pumps are really a pain but I was hoping at about 235 lbs, 27years old, and doing a fair amount of physical labor at work every day that it wouldnt be too bad?


I'll be 65 this summer. I hand pump my Condor from 1800 to 3000 PSI. It takes just under 200 pumps. I'm twice your age and weigh 30 pounds less. Pumping for you will be more about boredom than physical effort.
 
If you can get a nitrogen bottle at 6000 psi that would be bad as-s
If you love to shoot Marauder 25 is the starting point , But its just a matter of time before you explore the higher price guns 1,500 and up, If you love shooting ,
This sport is expensive getting into, But once you are there, Its cheap and pays for it self with every shot,
I went out in my back yard the other day when the weather was in the 70s for two hours I shot targets , sparrows (15) euro doves (5 ) did not want to clean any more
100 or more shots Total cost was maybe 3.00 bucks for pellets , I love to shoot the small hard shell Texas pecans as they explode and feed the birds
And it goes back to , Do you love to shoot,
Forget the spring
once you are in the PCP sport you are trapped for life, (if you love to shoot)
Mike
 
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"Saltlake58"I have the current generation (Gen 2) Marauder in .22. I like the gun. It accepts a scope nicely, Trigger isn't "Match Grade" but it has a nice pull and I've shot 10 shot groups that are around 3/4 inch at 25 yards and I'm not that good of a shot. It's more accurate than I am. It's long at around 40 inches, so you'll need a long case for it.

The .22 has a 10 shot magazine, I believe it's an 8 shot in .25.

​I'd recommend the .22 for an initial purchase if that's the direction you decide to go. It shoots the Crosman Premier Domes well (Believe it or not, the Crosman Premier Hollow Points shoot very differently).

​The air tanks and such don't normally care what gun you are using, so I have the Ninja 88 Cubic Inch "Buddy Bottle". The bottle, regulator, and valve and hoses are about $300 at Pyramyd Air.

If there's a dive shop or paintball place handy, please FORGET THE PUMP! I have the pump, and it takes about 100 strokes to pump up the gun from 1800 PSI to 2800 PSI. Above 2500 PSI, you must really put the weight into the stroke. I'm old and not that healthy (OK, not that old, but really 100 strokes takes a lot of effort)

​Do check out the prices at Crosman using the code AGNATION for a 25% discount, and I believe someone mentioned free shipping on Friday's. That's about a $20 item.

​If you want to wait for the regulated version, you may have a wait, as I suspect it'll be a hot seller. Be patient, and DON'T get one of the first off the assembly line. At least it's just an upgrade for an existing product, but when Crosman introduced the NitroPiston models a few years ago, the initial run was a disaster.
Thanks for the information. I work at a shop with access to welding materials. I was thinking of asking our gas supplier about a nitrogen tank and seeing what kind of psi they could offer me in one of the big bottles.

I keep hearing the pumps are really a pain but I was hoping at about 235 lbs, 27years old, and doing a fair amount of physical labor at work every day that it wouldnt be too bad?

But I will definitely look into the welding supply shop and start asking them some questions. I reckon if I can get a big bottle of 4500 psi nitrogen that would last me a whole lot of fill ups.

I have taken not of the free shipping on Fridays that'll most likely be where I order from as it's hands down the best deal I have come up with so far!
Bingo since you work at a welding shop nitrogen would be the way to go. As others have said pumping while not that hard, cuts into your shooting time and ability to relax and shoot good groups. I do not know about all the particulars of using nitrogen and what type to get but it will give you an immense amount of shot. Lets go with a 480 cu ft tank at 6000 psi using the tank calculator on AOA page at the bottom of their home page. 480 cu ft tank at 6000psi filling the Marauder to 3000 psi and shooting down to 2000 psi with its 215cc cylinder you will get 468 fills at an average of 30 shots per fill = 14,040 shots. As far as where to find the proper gauges the only place to go for me is 'Air Tanks for Sale' They are an American company supplying American made tanks and fitting made for air rifles. Since they sell air rifles too you might be able to get a package deal from them for all you items -rifle, scope, mounts and nitrogen fill gauge with an regulator. He is now offering a Marauder with an anti-bounce hammer device for free that will increase shot count and lower the fill level. I will link the AOA site for tank calculator and the Air Tanks for Sale for the fill gauge and other items. Oh and by the way the .25 caliber is the way to go again if you want to take down a coyote. Bill

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Tanks/FillCalc.html

http://www.airtanksforsale.com/

PS the Nitrogen fill assembly can be found about 3/4 way down the home page for both a regulated and unregulated version

 
I hate pumping and I will probably never get a tank ( no fillers anywhere near ) and I sure as heck will not spend the $ for a compressor. BUT I find goofing and target shooting with the Wildcat boring its so accurate. However I really only want the pcp for shooting pests and I can go a couple weeks without having to fill. It takes about 125 strokes to put adequate pressure in the Wildcat for 40 shots. I'm 66 and tall enough and heavy enough this is not painful. I DO break that up into 3 short sessions however.

That's why I've been buying springers. Much more challenging for putting holes in paper and the speed and power of a pcp is just not at all needed. At least for me I find springers plenty fun and some of them have a tremendous cool factor. I've now got one I think will kill a squirrel no problem.
 
"AirgunBill"
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"Saltlake58"I have the current generation (Gen 2) Marauder in .22. I like the gun. It accepts a scope nicely, Trigger isn't "Match Grade" but it has a nice pull and I've shot 10 shot groups that are around 3/4 inch at 25 yards and I'm not that good of a shot. It's more accurate than I am. It's long at around 40 inches, so you'll need a long case for it.

The .22 has a 10 shot magazine, I believe it's an 8 shot in .25.

​I'd recommend the .22 for an initial purchase if that's the direction you decide to go. It shoots the Crosman Premier Domes well (Believe it or not, the Crosman Premier Hollow Points shoot very differently).

​The air tanks and such don't normally care what gun you are using, so I have the Ninja 88 Cubic Inch "Buddy Bottle". The bottle, regulator, and valve and hoses are about $300 at Pyramyd Air.

If there's a dive shop or paintball place handy, please FORGET THE PUMP! I have the pump, and it takes about 100 strokes to pump up the gun from 1800 PSI to 2800 PSI. Above 2500 PSI, you must really put the weight into the stroke. I'm old and not that healthy (OK, not that old, but really 100 strokes takes a lot of effort)

​Do check out the prices at Crosman using the code AGNATION for a 25% discount, and I believe someone mentioned free shipping on Friday's. That's about a $20 item.

​If you want to wait for the regulated version, you may have a wait, as I suspect it'll be a hot seller. Be patient, and DON'T get one of the first off the assembly line. At least it's just an upgrade for an existing product, but when Crosman introduced the NitroPiston models a few years ago, the initial run was a disaster.
Thanks for the information. I work at a shop with access to welding materials. I was thinking of asking our gas supplier about a nitrogen tank and seeing what kind of psi they could offer me in one of the big bottles.

I keep hearing the pumps are really a pain but I was hoping at about 235 lbs, 27years old, and doing a fair amount of physical labor at work every day that it wouldnt be too bad?

But I will definitely look into the welding supply shop and start asking them some questions. I reckon if I can get a big bottle of 4500 psi nitrogen that would last me a whole lot of fill ups.

I have taken not of the free shipping on Fridays that'll most likely be where I order from as it's hands down the best deal I have come up with so far!
Bingo since you work at a welding shop nitrogen would be the way to go. As others have said pumping while not that hard, cuts into your shooting time and ability to relax and shoot good groups. I do not know about all the particulars of using nitrogen and what type to get but it will give you an immense amount of shot. Lets go with a 480 cu ft tank at 6000 psi using the tank calculator on AOA page at the bottom of their home page. 480 cu ft tank at 6000psi filling the Marauder to 3000 psi and shooting down to 2000 psi with its 215cc cylinder you will get 468 fills at an average of 30 shots per fill = 14,040 shots. As far as where to find the proper gauges the only place to go for me is 'Air Tanks for Sale' They are an American company supplying American made tanks and fitting made for air rifles. Since they sell air rifles too you might be able to get a package deal from them for all you items -rifle, scope, mounts and nitrogen fill gauge with an regulator. He is now offering a Marauder with an anti-bounce hammer device for free that will increase shot count and lower the fill level. I will link the AOA site for tank calculator and the Air Tanks for Sale for the fill gauge and other items. Oh and by the way the .25 caliber is the way to go again if you want to take down a coyote. Bill

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Tanks/FillCalc.html

http://www.airtanksforsale.com/

PS the Nitrogen fill assembly can be found about 3/4 way down the home page for both a regulated and unregulated version

You've convinced me... I am gonna stop by the welding supply shop in the next few days and see how much a 6k psi nitrogen bottle will cost me. Thanks for the links that bottle to gun adapter looks like exactly what I'd need... but I already have a bunch of that hardware and am sure I can put something together without having to buy anything except the bottle/full. What exactly is this "foster" fitting on the front of the marauder? It looks like what I'd call a 1/4" quick disconnect air fitting? Is that correct?

thanks for all the help!
 

You've convinced me... I am gonna stop by the welding supply shop in the next few days and see how much a 6k psi nitrogen bottle will cost me. Thanks for the links that bottle to gun adapter looks like exactly what I'd need... but I already have a bunch of that hardware and am sure I can put something together without having to buy anything except the bottle/full. What exactly is this "foster" fitting on the front of the marauder? It looks like what I'd call a 1/4" quick disconnect air fitting? Is that correct?

thanks for all the help!
The male Foster Fitting on the Marauder connects to the female quick detach hose fitting. You will see on many of Joe's tanks they can come with a male foster fitting on the tank and a hose that has female QD on both ends. For rifles that don't have a male foster to connect to and use a probe instead you can get various adapters to allow them to use with the female fosters QD on the hose. Joes sells just about every type of connector you could need. I would say with a nitrogen hook-up if you are not going to be filling a cf 4500psi tank to get the gauge with the regulator so you can fill directly to your rifle safely. The difference in price is $203 vs $489 for the regulated version but you can dial in a safe pressure to top off your rifle. Once again costs are adding up but if your look at all the ability to shoot anytime and the cost per shot verse a centerfire rifle I think it is a great investment in shooting fun.
The regulated gauge below.

http://experthpa.com/cart/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=147 
 
Well I looked and found some regulators I already have available to me but they aren't the correct range. I also looked to see how much pressure one of the nitrogen tanks we have laying around and it only had 2500 psi and I don't think it has been used much so I think maybe we only got 3500 or so psi fills. Which I think would still go a long way with that big of a bottle.

As for those pre assembled units they sure do look nice and convenient but that's mighty spendy in my opinion.

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So here is what I've assembled so far... it's screwed into a tank just for mock up and if I end up indeed being able to get 6k fills I will replace the gauge. The hose would obviously attach to the gun and the other "t" would go to a ball valve for bleeding off the line and I would install a safety valve on the other side



Do you perhaps have have a link to which fitting I would need to screw into the other end of the hose that would attach to the gun. I would need to go from 1/4" not female threads to the Marauder. I realize I don't even have the gun yet but I want to make 100% sure I have the capability to fill the thing before ordering.
 
"Subtraction"Well I looked and found some regulators I already have available to me but they aren't the correct range. I also looked to see how much pressure one of the nitrogen tanks we have laying around and it only had 2500 psi and I don't think it has been used much so I think maybe we only got 3500 or so psi fills. Which I think would still go a long way with that big of a bottle.

As for those pre assembled units they sure do look nice and convenient but that's mighty spendy in my opinion.

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So here is what I've assembled so far... it's screwed into a tank just for mock up and if I end up indeed being able to get 6k fills I will replace the gauge. The hose would obviously attach to the gun and the other "t" would go to a ball valve for bleeding off the line and I would install a safety valve on the other side



Do you perhaps have have a link to which fitting I would need to screw into the other end of the hose that would attach to the gun. I would need to go from 1/4" not female threads to the Marauder. I realize I don't even have the gun yet but I want to make 100% sure I have the capability to fill the thing before ordering.
Sorry I can't help you with what you need to put together your own assembly as you need to match different thread types and use hoses rated to the right pressure rating and so on. I know there are some who post here that would know so hopefully they offer their expertise. Bill
 
"E.L.Werner"Did you read his post and what he is considering dispatching? Bad recommendation, in my opinion.

To which recommendation are you referring to as far as a rifle or caliber. He stated most of his shooting will be target and plinking. Granted even a .25 caliber in the Marauder is not a lights out kill situation but I have read here enough people have used it to dispatch coyotes. The Marauder is the best balance between price, power and the ability to shoot in his back yard. If I was him I might grab a .22 rimfire instead do a head shot on a coyote if he could do it safely, but the Marauder in .25 caliber should do the job with a well placed head shot with the right weight and type pellet like a heavy JSB, Eun Jin or the hard lead Kodiak. Bill
 
"Cliff_Allen"Spring guns by nature, (even the higher end ones) have their energy released from a large piston inside the gun. The motion of this piston causes the gun to recoil a LOT more than a PCP air rifle, such as a Marauder. The recoil on a spring gun makes achieving consistent accuracy a lot harder. The pellet does not leave the barrel as quickly as with a powder burner, so the recoil adversely effects accuracy a lot more. Usually people that are attempting to be accurate with a spring gun master a technique called the "artillery hold" You can learn about this by googling it, tons of info should come up, video's etc.
I found that video online and it was great. I use a front BR front rest with a rear bunny bag and always ensure the sling posts are clear to ensure the rifle can move as it needs. I have to laugh sometimes seeing people at the range with lead sleds and have their rifle "tied down" almost in those supports.

The video reminded me of one I saw long ago where this older gentleman was going to shoot a rifle that looked capable of taking an elephant. The first thing he did was to pour some type of lubricant onto the front BR rest and then slide the rifle back and forth so it would move effortlessly when shot. I don't recall how the back end was setup but when the rifle was shot, it slid back very smoothly, and then it showed the keyhole shot in the target. I've never forgot that video.