Knock-off PCP magazines?
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Not everyone has an MBA in marketing!
If we want to "bash" some entity for market gouging, it should be DeBeers for 2,500% to 10,000% diamond retail markup pricing. Or GE for 1,000% markup on a 100 watt light bulb. This said, in-between the conception to sales stages are a lot of costs for which the end consumer has no understanding of. Or at least an appreciation of! And then there is the little unknown thingy called applied warranty.
What we need to remember is, end pricing isn't a ratio of cost vs. sales profit. It is R&D, transportation, import duties, and a host of other hidden costs. So before we "bash" any entity for price gouging, we need to know more than the retail price. Alas, we do not!
If we want to "bash" some entity for market gouging, it should be DeBeers for 2,500% to 10,000% diamond retail markup pricing. Or GE for 1,000% markup on a 100 watt light bulb. This said, in-between the conception to sales stages are a lot of costs for which the end consumer has no understanding of. Or at least an appreciation of! And then there is the little unknown thingy called applied warranty.
What we need to remember is, end pricing isn't a ratio of cost vs. sales profit. It is R&D, transportation, import duties, and a host of other hidden costs. So before we "bash" any entity for price gouging, we need to know more than the retail price. Alas, we do not!
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Yes. But it's not just the sound of the word, it's the meaning of the word. To me a "knockoff" is an exact copy of the original in all respects vs a product independently designed to replace the original in function. As long as "third party" doesn't violate any patents or copy writes it's ok with me.
But, I'm not a lawyer.
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Someone should just make breech adapters to accept Marauder magazines which would probably be 3d printable sort of like a more engineered system of your Sony or micro SD card adapter to use in the full sized SD slot. May have to file down the magazine a bit for some airgun applications but they are cheap enough and self indexing and tells you when you are out of ammo and won't allow you to fire an empty shot. Make a clay model that works for each gun then do the 3d prints. Back on subject, in this case copying the Theoben magazine worked as we all notice, they are used in so many applications from BNM to Mrod Air to Archer and the up and coming Gauntlet. In this case it wouldn't be considered as "copying" anything and is more like "adapting" instead.
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How many companies sell AR mags how many sell 1022 mags? They have made millions of these rifles so the demand is there. The only reason one would make airgun mags would be that the originals are ridiculously over priced. Nobody would waste their time with such a small market to sell a couple mags. Versus hundreds of thousands in other markets. It costs less than 15 bucks for me to make an FX mag. I know I made some and they are not 3d printed. Looks like FX dropped the price of their mags. Could it be because of competition? Competition brings prices down and usually drives quality and new products.
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I'm 100% with Mousefart. I hate it how expensive the Daystate magazines are, but when you compare these with Marauder, or even FX, there is no comparison to the design and elegance of Daystate magazines. If it were so 'easy' why don't other companies make magazines that are as sweet as Daystate? Fact is the market for high end PCP air rifles is small, so volume discounts are not going to happen. Sure some Chinese company could rip off the Daystate design, and sell a 2nd party component for much less, but that's theft of the original design. But ... I do wish Daystate would sell magazines for less.
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Gentlemen, this is altogether too simple, just buy Kalibrgun pcps! They are accurate, elegent, effecient!!! And their mags cost 25-30 bucks (depending if you buy used or new! Definately well within the 'acceptable price-rang!!
Great mags too by the way...
Great mags too by the way...
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I have shot more than one Kalibrguns PCP at FT competitions and while I firmly believe in the saying, "To each their own", I can also say with complete certainty; I would go back to shooting springers exclusively before owning a Kalibrgun. But again, to each their own.
Now, back on subject.
No illegal knock-offs!
Now, back on subject.
No illegal knock-offs!
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I can say with complete certainty that my Cricket rifle match my RAW HM1000x in every category. And third party items are not illegal.
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Competition drives new designs better quality lower prices etc. Look at side shot they just came out with a sweet high cap mag that is cutting edge. Sure you will never please everybody but it is silly to think parts and accessories companies are stealing. We would have horrible products without competition look at how many companies have driven the Theoben gun. I bet the same will happen to FX and Daystate as demand and market grows. Some people have to have the latest greatest design and some want the cutting edge performance in an old design. We shoot airguns guys, compressed air or spring drives pellet down the barrel. You can take a 10 year old design and work it to today's level of performance easily.
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Yes. To illustrate this point, this is an older model, unregulated Theoben Rapid. Let's see some of the new guns do this. The shooter makes the biggest difference
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Yup and there are some guys making awesome stuff for the Rapid platform Chip and Ernie come to mind....Michael posted that he has one of Ernie's guns
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I have an extra magazine for you if you want it. Brand new 25.cal. When my gun arrived it was in 2 pieces, never sent back my spare mag. I bought.
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This is an interesting conversation! I find it surprising that a company like UTG / Leapers hasn't gotten into the "aftermarket" magazine business. I really don't see that as any different from Fram making oil and air filters or Bendix making brake rotors. It's up to the consumer to figure out how and where to spend their money.
I guess there probably isn't enough perceived sales volume to make it worth their costs to spin up production.
I guess there probably isn't enough perceived sales volume to make it worth their costs to spin up production.
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