Here I go into .22 Trail NP2 or HW95?

If you didn't gather from the thread title, I'm going to venture into the realm of a .22 in this price range.
I'd like something accurate and capable of pesting as well. I'm decent with my RWS 34 in .177, but I'm looking to expand on my airgun collection by 1 rifle.
Please state your position and factual observable evidence in support for or against your position.
I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions and experience with these rifles. Has anyone had both?
 
HW95.

I have a Summit NP2 in .22, which is the same as the Trail NP2 you're considering, only the stock is different. Here's my analysis of it. (also see my YouTube videos on it, user Jeremy D:

- Trigger breaks cleanly, as advertised, but it is so heavy that it wrecks out-of-the-box accuracy.
- The trigger can be lightened up by replacing a spring, but it can only get down to around 2 lbs., due to the design of it. Go any lighter and it won't cock.
- Cheap stock. Mine's plastic, and hollow in the butt area, but the finish on the wood Trails is kind of ugly and the wood isn't that nice either.
+ Quiet, probably much quieter than an HW95. The shroud really works.
+ Affordable, esp. with the coupon code from here, ordering directly from Crosman
- Scope rails are often crooked. Mine is, but luckily the 4X scope has little enough magnification and a large enough range of adjustment that it's zero-able.
- Barrels aren't as good as Weihrauchs. They're OK for the price, but not world-class. My best group has been about an inch at 30 yards. That's perfectly usable accuracy for a lot of things, but more is better. The HW95 will shoot groups half that size. You likely won't be happy with it, coming from a Diana 34. (RWS is just the importer)
- Very hold-sensitive
+ Powerhouse piston. Mine shoots at 23 FPE. But they're known to lose power over time, despite Benjamin's claims to the contrary.
+ No spring torque
+ No damage from leaving them cocked for long periods, since there's no steel spring to take a set.
+ Not too pellet-picky, considering their power level. 


HW95:
+ Great trigger
+ Great fit & finish
+ Great barrel
+ Great balance of power and shootability
- Expensive, compared to the NP2
- Not as smooth cocking and shooting cycles as the NP2
+ Gives pride of ownership not found in a Benjamin/Crosman
+ Resale value; it has some.
- No shroud included standard, but AoA may be able to hook you up with something
+ Nice wood stock, even the basic beech
+ Built for 10X the number of shot cycles as the NP2
- Weihrauch after-sale support is allegedly not that good, though you're a lot less likely to need it, too.

The only thing I would really question is why you're considering another rifle of the same power level as your Diana 34? From this standpoint, the NP2 makes more sense. ...but how about an HW30s or Beeman R7. That's a nice compliment to your D34. Something that is light and easy to shoot all day, and just as much fun, even though it hasn't really got hunting power levels. Imagine having the power of a multi-pump pneumatic at 10 pumps, but only having to "pump" it once. I've taken a couple squirrels with mine, but it takes a perfect brain hit. Chipmunks and pest birds smaller than crow are no problem.

...or even an entry level PCP in .22, and REALLY expand your horizons. A used Marauder would be sweet.
 
G'day Bstalder, I don't own a HW95 or have ever shot one. I do own a NP Trail in 22 cal. The Trail may be cheap in America but they are not here, but that's our problem. To be honest the trigger was very hard and harsh but a small bearing fixed that very well. I believe the standard NP piston in the Trail is 55 kilograms and to be honest it was powerfull but not as accurate as I thought it would be so I fitted a 50 kilogram ram and it improved its accuracy and still had enough power. Five shots in a 10 millimetre circle at 30 meters. It now shoots at 703 fps which suits what I want it for. The lesser rated ram also quitened it down further. We are not allowed the HP2 in Australia because of the shrouded barrel so I can't compair it to the Trail.
These guys on this forum know their stuff so I would probably go with their suggestion on the HW95 but I just wanted to let you know that the humble Trail isn't that bad. And Smaug I disagree with you about the wood stock on the Trail 😁 
 
Two HW95's for your viewing enjoyment. The HW95 is lighter, shorter, unless your bent on a gas-piston, I would go with the HW95, I personally would want a RWS 34 in .22 over the NP2 But that's just me. Smaug, I was thinking it, but didn't say it. + Built for 10X the number of shot cycles as the NP2 and
– Weihrauch after-sale support is allegedly not that good, though you’re a lot less likely to need it, too. Get the Weihrauch from AoA and it's guaranteed for life, through AoA, I know. I had a problem with the .22 and AoA made good and rebuilt it, free. The .177 has been flawless and can hold it's own with my HW97K and that's saying something.
 
Smaug, I've been wanting to jump to .22 primarily for the purposes of pigeon shooting. It takes a really well placed shot with my mod. 34 to bring one down. I figure the .22 might be a bit of an improvement. 
In addition, I'm the only pellet rifle shooter I know, BUT I think if I had a second rifle I might be able to convince someone else to shoot "against" me or plink with me. In which case, a similar power gun would make a hypothetical competition more fair. 
I would like to get into pcps, but they are costly, require more equipment, and I'd like to get better with a springer to then transition to a pcp, baby steps. 
 
"Bstalder85"Smaug, I've been wanting to jump to .22 primarily for the purposes of pigeon shooting. It takes a really well placed shot with my mod. 34 to bring one down. I figure the .22 might be a bit of an improvement. 
In addition, I'm the only pellet rifle shooter I know, BUT I think if I had a second rifle I might be able to convince someone else to shoot "against" me or plink with me. In which case, a similar power gun would make a hypothetical competition more fair. 
I would like to get into pcps, but they are costly, require more equipment, and I'd like to get better with a springer to then transition to a pcp, baby steps.
Yeah, I'm where your at. I have been a firearms guy all my life, and just within the last year have gotten into air gunning. I have a Crosman air pistol in .177, and a Ruger air rifle in .22. I would like to buy a side-cocking RWS in .22 caliber next. After putting about 50 or so pellets through the Ruger, cranking on that barrel gives you sore arms. I was thinking the side cocker would be a little easier.

I would like to get into the PCP game as well, for I can tell that they are a better "mouse trap" in airgunning, but the cost is heavy! It would take me as much to get into a PCP rifle, of decent quality, and a compressor to fill it up, as I have in my AR-15. Maybe someday. 
 
Yea, well said. I can spend twelve hundo on a pcp and 5-7 more on glass for an air rifle, or I could outfit a Really nice deer rifle for less. 
Chances are I'm going to be able to use them to their abilities about equally as often, I just don't have the need for that kind of artillary right now.

That being said, the springers are perhaps more fun to shoot and ammo is cheaper, and I don't have to wear ear plugs. Air guns are great, but I just can't justify the cost of an old car on a hobby right now.
 
+1 HW 95
I own several firearms all collecting dust. Airguns are a passionate hobby that comes in all price ranges just like any hobby. I now shoot more in one day with airguns than I use to shoot in a year with firearms due to being alot more backyard friendly, therefore, more accessible. With more exponential more trigger time you will become a much better shot.

As as far as cost concerning a PCP, for example a Marauder pistol(Prod) with a HPA hand pump is very affordable cost wise and effort wise with a hand pump. They are also very accurate and quite not to mention 500 shots for under $9 (Prods love Walmart CPs). That was my first PCP and still holds my record as most squirrels killed including .22 firearms. This is not about firearm vs airguns for these two definitely stick together as evidenced by Shot Show 2017. This is about a growing hobby that is only going to get bigger as the world gets smaller.
 
I have used .177 with great results on english sparrows and starlings, shot from behind at the base of the skull. the HW85 from Krale comes with the better front globe sight and multiple inserts imho is a better deal. I have bought a HW80 and HW85k from them with no problems. And faster shipping than AoA lol
https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/weihrauch-hw85-9309.html
 
Crosman2016

I would like to get into the PCP game as well, for I can tell that they are a better "mouse trap" in airgunning, but the cost is heavy! It would take me as much to get into a PCP rifle, of decent quality, and a compressor to fill it up, as I have in my AR-15. Maybe someday.
Keep in mind that you'll most likely be able to shoot your airgun a LOT more than your AR. While the cost of a PCP and fill set up is high compared to many firearms you will find shooting is a lot cheaper and it's easier to find places to shoot, not to mention ammo is readily available. If you get a gun that operates on lower fill pressure like the Discovery, Maximus or S200 you can either pump or fill with a scuba tank.
 
I own a .22 Benjamin Trail NP2... haven't shot an HW95. The NP2 beats the HW95 in price, power, and noise level. Aesthetics, accuracy, trigger, build quality, and pride of ownership go to the HW95. Since you listed informal competition against your D34 as one of your intended uses, I would definitely choose the HW95. That seems like a closer match up than the NP2 vs D34. Price was a major factor for me when I bought the NP2. Knowing what I know now, I'd spend the extra money and get the Weihrauch.
 
"crosman2016"
"Bstalder85"...
I would like to get into pcps, but they are costly, require more equipment, and I'd like to get better with a springer to then transition to a pcp, baby steps.
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I would like to get into the PCP game as well, for I can tell that they are a better "mouse trap" in airgunning, but the cost is heavy! It would take me as much to get into a PCP rifle, of decent quality, and a compressor to fill it up, as I have in my AR-15. Maybe someday.
Don't look now, but an entry level, decent quality PCP costs about the same to get into these days as a mid-level springer. For example:
  • Used Benjamin Marauder - $325? (new = $425)
  • Pump - $70 from ebay
  • New Benjamin Discovery - $200?
  • New Benjamin Maximus - $140?
  • TKO moderator for Discovery or Maximus - $100
Marauder is a repeater and has a fully shrouded barrel, so no lengthy moderator is needed to quiet it down. Nicer action too.

If you plan to do a lot of shooting outdoors and away from your house, you'll want a tank instead of a pump, that'll be a couple hundred bucks.