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Can something be ugly but still be cool as hell?Lol I dislike it but yet find myself wanting one.I'm soo confused .
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They lost me at $1400.
Anyone that has owned a semi-auto air gun knows that they have a novelty value that lasts for a certain period of time but ultimately, I could see myself regretting paying $1400 for something that groups like that at 25 yards.
If I wanted a fun rapid fire PCP gun for plinking and maybe a little pest control, I'd get the Air Ordnance SMG 22. The lower price point, the full auto capability and the 100 round drum mags make it a more appealing rapid fire plinker. You won't get much fine precision but I wouldn't buy a semi auto for that. The lower price point would let me not worry about comparing accuracy to my Mutant and treat it as what it is, a fun toy.
My advice to Hatsan if they want to keep the $1400 retail price would be to improve the design before the launch. Fix some of the obvious limitations.
First, use a premium barrel like other air guns in that price range. Not a Hatsan barrel. JSB pellets are expensive so choose one that works well with a broader range as you'd go through a lot with semi-auto
Second, and this is key, make better mags. By better, I mean higher capacity. There are no mag capacity limits for air guns and no restrictions on "assault style rifles" like there are for firearms in NY and CA so take advantage. I get frustrated at having to reload every 12 shots on a side-lever gun. With a semi auto, it would drive me mad.
Third, replace the steel with a cf bottle. For once, make a Hatsan gun that is comfortable to carry. If you are going to charge $1400, stop being stingy with the materials. There are other semi auto air guns in that price range and Hatsan has to do more to make people select it over the FX semi-autos.
If they did those things, it would be one tempting offer.
Anyone that has owned a semi-auto air gun knows that they have a novelty value that lasts for a certain period of time but ultimately, I could see myself regretting paying $1400 for something that groups like that at 25 yards.
If I wanted a fun rapid fire PCP gun for plinking and maybe a little pest control, I'd get the Air Ordnance SMG 22. The lower price point, the full auto capability and the 100 round drum mags make it a more appealing rapid fire plinker. You won't get much fine precision but I wouldn't buy a semi auto for that. The lower price point would let me not worry about comparing accuracy to my Mutant and treat it as what it is, a fun toy.
My advice to Hatsan if they want to keep the $1400 retail price would be to improve the design before the launch. Fix some of the obvious limitations.
First, use a premium barrel like other air guns in that price range. Not a Hatsan barrel. JSB pellets are expensive so choose one that works well with a broader range as you'd go through a lot with semi-auto
Second, and this is key, make better mags. By better, I mean higher capacity. There are no mag capacity limits for air guns and no restrictions on "assault style rifles" like there are for firearms in NY and CA so take advantage. I get frustrated at having to reload every 12 shots on a side-lever gun. With a semi auto, it would drive me mad.
Third, replace the steel with a cf bottle. For once, make a Hatsan gun that is comfortable to carry. If you are going to charge $1400, stop being stingy with the materials. There are other semi auto air guns in that price range and Hatsan has to do more to make people select it over the FX semi-autos.
If they did those things, it would be one tempting offer.
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Yeah gotta agree about the 1400$ price tag it's just too steep .Semi auto would be cool for a bit but the high air consumption would break me from it quickly.
Still like seeing new guns hitting the market.
Still like seeing new guns hitting the market.
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I have 2 Hatsan springers. IMO they are NOT a company capable of a $1400 offering. Come on do they honestly think that they are on par with Daystate, FX and Kalibrgun?
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And with Crosman bringing out one for $300. If you want something to just shoot fast and play with not sure that wouldn't cover that itch.
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Very cool rifle but not sure where they came up with $1400. Instead of things getting cheaper it seems folks are just offering their stuff for a bit less than FX and hoping people settle.
Whatever happened with that FX Monsoon?
Whatever happened with that FX Monsoon?
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FX just cut their prices on a bunch of models including the Monsoon which now sells for $1400.
I'm not sure it's one of FX's better guns though. You see them for sale used a lot. Perhaps it's just the novelty of semi auto running out and reality setting in for people.
I'm not sure it's one of FX's better guns though. You see them for sale used a lot. Perhaps it's just the novelty of semi auto running out and reality setting in for people.
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Where are you coming up with $1400 for the semi Hatsan? There listed at $999 at Airgun Depot and Pyramyd Air.
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I saw that. The $1400 came fromthe video. It was posted before the listing went on the PA site. Perhaps this is their version of "seeing sense" and reducing their price expectations. Or maybe that guy in the video was just wrong.
Either way, for me, it still misses the point. In 2017, even $1,000 is too much for a non-regulated gun and one without a premium barrel.
Looking at the specs, that guns needs a reg because 50 shots from a 500cc bottle is not good at all.
It's not like you are paying for a high grade figured Walnut or even a carbon fiber bottle either. I guess they think the novelty of semi auto is worth $1000. Perhaps it might be to some but other manufacturers have shown the world in spectacular fashion how a semi auto bolt can be added for very little money.
Semi auto is a gas block, tube, spring and plunger - less than $20 in parts to large manufacturer....
Also, looking at the specs, it's another 10.5lb gun from Hatsan. That would be fine on a benchrest rifle but never on a hunter / plinker.
In 2017, someone looking to spend around $1,000 on an air gun will be choosing between the Streamline, Daystate Huntsman, BSA R10, Taipan Mutant (or Mutant Shorty). They can also save $100 and get a regulated Jkhan bullpup which uses a LW barrel. I'd choose any one of those over an unregulated heavy gun with a Hatsan barrel.
Still, I'm sure it will appeal to some newbies. Semi-auto is definitely a rookie thing to search for on an air gun. After a while people realize that the joy of PCP rifles comes from extreme precision and accuracy and that it is never worth investing in a gun without them.
The good thing about the Hatsan is that it made me check out the other new guns PA has coming in. Some of them look to be amazing value.
I particularly like how the Kral Puncher is a bullpup for the same $500 as their other entry level rifles. I think they deserve success and support for being fair with their customers. There was never a reason for bullpups to cost more than the same gun as a full length rifle.
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Well I like the looks and hatsans always seem to be heavy but they have always seemed to be good shooters especially for the money. I dont see anyone putting a reg on a semi auto. How in the world could it keep up being in a semiauto gun? There would probably end up being pellets stuck in the barrel when people tried to rapid fire it. I would love one but I dont see how it could be dummy proofed for the masses. Having to give a count between shots would most likely be a buzz kill for speed shooting. That being said if someone has a regulated carbonfiber bottle mod that can still cycle the gun I am IN anyway! I have a gunsafe to fill why should they all be so same same. The next question will be rifle or bullpup?
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The Huben is a regulated semi auto. In fact, it has two regulators. I've a seen a regulated Evanix Max too and it worked fine. I seem to remember reading a thread showing the results someone got from regulating an FX Monsoon too. I am fairly sure that a lot of semi-auto paintball guns use regulated bottles. The reg should just ensure consistent output pressure.
The main issue people seem to have with other semi autos is reliable feeding when they choose the wrong size or weight of pellet, or jamming when they shoot below the recommended pressure.
One thing that puts me off expensive semi-auto air guns is that I don't believe they will last well. I often see ads with people trying to sell broken Monsoons and Revolutions. Rapid cycling is very hard on the guns moving parts and with current QC levels, my airguns already break from gentle side lever cycling...
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Air Ordnance SMG 22 is the one to get for rapid fire fun. It's a cheap bottle fed air machine gun that uses 100 round drum mags and... gets hundreds of shots per fill.... and.... it uses cheap paintball air or co2 tanks so you could easily take enough air for hundreds or even thousands of rounds out with you.... and... when run on hpa, it puts out similar power to a Marauder pistol which means means you could easily do some light pest control if hunting squirrels with a machine gun is your thing.
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FYI on regulated FX Monsoon performance:
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/regulated-fx-monsoon-22/
It shows the contrast in what's possible in terms of air efficiency.
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/regulated-fx-monsoon-22/
It shows the contrast in what's possible in terms of air efficiency.
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If you detune that rifle it will most likely see the same kind of shot count numbers likely far more given the tank volume. I wouldn't go that route I just like having a flat shot curve. You loose a lot of your shot count pushing 970fps in most guns including my impact. You can get more shots out of any gun you cut power out of with or with out a reg. Thats not efficiency its reallocation of energy from power to prioritize shot count. As far as that goes you only need to do so if the benefit is higher accuracy i.e. the lessening or elimination of pellet spiraling when caused by shooting a pellet too fast resulting in it destabilizing in flight.
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