Got 60FPE out of my Royale!

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Glem.Chally

Glem.Chally

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I turned up the reg a bit (waiting for a fitting so I can see where it's set) then turned in the hammer spring to about 2 full turns from bottomed out. I shot a few 31gr Barracuda's over the chrony and got 928 and 930 zowza. This is with about 165BAR in the gun.

Once I get the part needed to measure the reg pressure I'll dial it in to shoot the heavies at about 870-890 then drill out the power position 1 to shoot 25gr pellets at about 920 or so. Most likely a bit smaller diameter than the position 2 orifice will get that done I'll start slow and work my way up till it's at the money spot.

Thanks goes out to Tominco, Ernest Rowe, Weatherby, CHUCK and Jimmy King for the videos/written explanation, I've turned the hammer spring down again now just wanted to see what it's capable of.
 
"Glem.Chally"I turned up the reg a bit (waiting for a fitting so I can see where it's set) then turned in the hammer spring to about 2 full turns from bottomed out. I shot a few 31gr Barracuda's over the chrony and got 928 and 930 zowza. This is with about 165BAR in the gun.

Once I get the part needed to measure the reg pressure I'll dial it in to shoot the heavies at about 870-890 then drill out the power position 1 to shoot 25gr pellets at about 920 or so. Most likely a bit smaller diameter than the position 2 orifice will get that done I'll start slow and work my way up till it's at the money spot.

Thanks goes out to Tominco, Ernest Rowe and Jimmy King for the videos/written explanation, I've turned the hammer spring down again now just wanted to see what it's capable of.
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dear sir,
I would like to know the other modifications except reg pressure.

When I take the reg pressure of my 500 I can get maximum of 950 fps with 25 grain jsb and that is less than 60 fps.

Did you increase hammer weight or other modifications?

regards,

Umair Bhaur 
 
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"mubhaur"
"Glem.Chally"I turned up the reg a bit (waiting for a fitting so I can see where it's set) then turned in the hammer spring to about 2 full turns from bottomed out. I shot a few 31gr Barracuda's over the chrony and got 928 and 930 zowza. This is with about 165BAR in the gun.

Once I get the part needed to measure the reg pressure I'll dial it in to shoot the heavies at about 870-890 then drill out the power position 1 to shoot 25gr pellets at about 920 or so. Most likely a bit smaller diameter than the position 2 orifice will get that done I'll start slow and work my way up till it's at the money spot.

Thanks goes out to Tominco, Ernest Rowe and Jimmy King for the videos/written explanation, I've turned the hammer spring down again now just wanted to see what it's capable of.
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dear sir,
I would like to know the other modifications except reg pressure.

When I take the reg pressure of my 500 I can get maximum of 950 fps with 25 grain jsb and that is less than 60 fps.

Did you increase hammer weight or other modifications?

regards,

Umair Bhaur
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Yeah I also adjusted the hammer spring to about 1-2 full turns from maximum and got 1020 and 1018 with 24.4gr silver points which is of course too hot, just wanted to see what it's capable of. My hammer spring tensioner did not have loc-tite on it when I got the gun and no evidence of it being there so that makes it easier. I think maybe some people try to use a standard and not metric hex and run into problems. It's all metric of course.
 
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"Glem.Chally"I turned up the reg a bit (waiting for a fitting so I can see where it's set) then turned in the hammer spring to about 2 full turns from bottomed out. I shot a few 31gr Barracuda's over the chrony and got 928 and 930 zowza. This is with about 165BAR in the gun.

Once I get the part needed to measure the reg pressure I'll dial it in to shoot the heavies at about 870-890 then drill out the power position 1 to shoot 25gr pellets at about 920 or so. Most likely a bit smaller diameter than the position 2 orifice will get that done I'll start slow and work my way up till it's at the money spot.

Thanks goes out to Tominco, Ernest Rowe and Jimmy King for the videos/written explanation, I've turned the hammer spring down again now just wanted to see what it's capable of.
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Following is my mail to FX and the the reply from FX.

Hello Sir,

The air chamber on the Royal 500 isnt big enough to achieve higher than 810-830 fps with the 34 grain JSB

Best regards
Johan 
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Skickat: den 15 september 2017 07:23
Till: Info <[email protected]>

Ämne: Need an advice for Royale 500 15 September 2017 

Dear Mr. Johan, 

I want to use 34 grain JSB at around 900 fps in my regulated Royale 500 .25. But in the given set up Royale 500 is not capable of that power. I need your advice if I can install some of the parts of FX Boss in my Royale 500 to achieve high power? If yes what will be these parts? I assume I would have to replace; 

1. Transfer Port, 
2. Valve, 
3. Valve seat,
4. Hammer weight and 
5. hammer spring. 

Please advise so that if this is possible, I could move forward to get these parts. 

Regards, 
Umair Bhaur
from
Pakistan
 
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Well it did with mine. I'll take some pictures of the chrony the next time I do it, I got 928 and 930 with the 31gr and 1020 and 1018 with 24.4. I might have the reg set too high I did about a half turn on the lock nut. What pressures of the reg have you tried? Have you tried several guns or just the one?

We aren't allowed moderators in Canada so it barks quite a bit and was having recoil like it never had with the HST turned in quite a bit. This quote shows someone saying that you can get 57FPE (Still have 500 air chamber) by raising the regulator adding a boss hammer weight and working the hammer spring given I don't have the Boss part but maybe my gun has the older hammer weight? He's referring to king heavies 34gr

Not trying to deceive anyone here and have no reason to lie, that's what the chrony read and it was noticeably louder and had more recoil than I've ever felt from it. Didn't know its apparently impossible.
"weatherby"Set the regulator to 160 bar
Add the Boss hammerweight. (Newer type Royales have a lighter hammer weight)
Work your hammerspring tension up slowly, and you can get it to shoot around 870 fps. (So start low).



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"Glem.Chally"Well it did with mine. I'll take some pictures of the chrony the next time I do it, I got 928 and 930 with the 31gr and 1020 and 1018 with 24.4. I might have the reg set too high I did about a half turn on the lock nut. What pressures of the reg have you tried? Have you tried several guns or just the one?

We aren't allowed moderators in Canada so it barks quite a bit and was having recoil like it never had with the HST turned in quite a bit. This quote shows someone saying that you can get 57FPE (Still have 500 air chamber) by raising the regulator adding a boss hammer weight and working the hammer spring given I don't have the Boss part but maybe my gun has the older hammer weight? He's referring to king heavies 34gr

Not trying to deceive anyone here and have no reason to lie, that's what the chrony read and it was noticeably louder and had more recoil than I've ever felt from it. Didn't know its apparently impossible.
"weatherby"Set the regulator to 160 bar
Add the Boss hammerweight. (Newer type Royales have a lighter hammer weight)
Work your hammerspring tension up slowly, and you can get it to shoot around 870 fps. (So start low).






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I tested it on two different 500 guns. Also you can see in the above e mail that FX itself says that 500 is not capable of 60 ftlb.

I dont blame you at all. Just want to know that it should have been possible with my 500 as well.
I tested at maximum of 160 bars reg pressure.

I dont blame you at all. Just wanted to know that how I can achieve the same power with my 500.
 
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My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
 
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"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I installed high power valve and TP. The strange thing is this that fx says that Boss has bigger plenum while you did not mention it.
 
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"mubhaur"
"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I installed high power valve and TP. The strange thing is this that fx says that Boss has bigger plenum while you did not mention it.
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Johan said: "The air chamber on the Royal 500 isnt big enough to achieve higher than 810-830 fps with the 34 grain JSB"
He didn't say that the Boss has got a bigger plenum than the Royale ;)
Maybe he is referring to a lower regulator pressure than the 160bar of a Boss combined with the R500's plenum.
Are you sure that you have the correct hammer weight?
There are several different ones around, hence my question.
The Boss' one is ca. 9 mm long at the round 10mm diameter part.

 
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"weatherby"
"mubhaur"
"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I installed high power valve and TP. The strange thing is this that fx says that Boss has bigger plenum while you did not mention it.
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Johan said: "The air chamber on the Royal 500 isnt big enough to achieve higher than 810-830 fps with the 34 grain JSB"
He didn't say that the Boss has got a bigger plenum than the Royale ;)
Maybe he is referring to a lower regulator pressure than the 160bar of a Boss combined with the R500's plenum.
Are you sure that you have the correct hammer weight?
There are several different ones around, hence my question.
The Boss' one is ca. 9 mm long at the round 10mm diameter part.
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I shall measure mine hammer weight and shall let you know 
 
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"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I can increase the size of TP to 7 mm but I don't understand the reason of enlarging the stock screw from M6 to M8.

Are you sure that the size of regulated chamber areas of 500 and Boss is the same?
 
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"weatherby"
"mubhaur"
"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I installed high power valve and TP. The strange thing is this that fx says that Boss has bigger plenum while you did not mention it.
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Johan said: "The air chamber on the Royal 500 isnt big enough to achieve higher than 810-830 fps with the 34 grain JSB"
He didn't say that the Boss has got a bigger plenum than the Royale ;)
Maybe he is referring to a lower regulator pressure than the 160bar of a Boss combined with the R500's plenum.
Are you sure that you have the correct hammer weight?
There are several different ones around, hence my question.
The Boss' one is ca. 9 mm long at the round 10mm diameter part.
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I understand that what Johan says is about the size of regulated chamber. 
 
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"mubhaur"
"weatherby"My .25 converted Boss shot at 63 FPE easily with 34gn king heavies at 160 bar regulator pressure
the only big differences between a Boss and Royale action are the size of the TP (7mm vs 4.5mm) and a m8 vs m6 stock mounting stud, creating a bigger transfer hole between the regulator plenum and valve chamber.
With a R500 you should come close to these values as well, I've modified quite a few and in general, around 56 FPE was the average obtained power.

Umair, do you have the super highpower valve installed, or the regular one?

cheers,

Gijs
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I can increase the size of TP to 7 mm but I don't understand the reason of enlarging the stock screw from M6 to M8.

Are you sure that the size of regulated chamber areas of 500 and Boss is the same?
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The TP of a R500 can't be enlarged so easily because it is drilled from above, and the grub screw to secure the brass piece of the barrel has m6 thread, so it is predrilled 5mm.
The real restriction is the power adjuster wheel, when you drill it to 7mm, it will not work anymore on other settings, and it will not make sense because the port between the power wheel and barrel is only 4.5mm. The largest power wheel port is also 4.5mm.

Regarding the stud, m8 is predrilled 6.5mm so the transfer hole between the regulator chamber and the valve is also 6.5mm i.s.o. 5mm for the R500 (stud with m6 thread)
Afaik, the plenum size of the Boss and Royale is the same, but I could be wrong.

 
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Well no one really cares but I turned up the HST again and shot a few Eun Jin 43.2's over the crony. 792 where it was then after maxxing out the HST got 821 then 811. CRAZY numbers, definitely get more FPE with heavier pellets. (64.67FPE@821fps) this is with the reg set at 160BAR. Maybe having no shroud or moderator is helping with power, I have no idea why it packs such a wollop. I'm shooting about 1 meter from the crony and have verified it's speeds with my springer and pump pistol and it's shooting them at the speeds it always has (low).

890-900 with the 34gr king heavies should be doable once I can get some. Only one place in Canada that I know of has the 150 tins and no one currently with the 300's, I'm gonna order 5 tins once they're back in stock should be a few weeks.

Anyways I'm done, I will turn it down and leave it down I think I've found the high water mark and will quit while I'm ahead haha.
 
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Well finally got a hold of some King Heavies so I can see if I could hit my goal of 900, I turned up the HST to basically max and ran 3 shots over it. 878 then 900 and change and 899 and change. Voila! I opened up this laundry soap container and stuffed a pair of jeans a sweater several old poop socks and whatever else I could stuff in there to stop pellets then plastic welded it shut again. Works fantastic haha. This is with the reg around 156-157 lowered it a bit from initial adjustment.

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