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FX Impact back from AoA – Repair reviews begin.

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    My Impact arrived back from AoA today.  I don’t have time to retest everything tonight, but I will share the first update on one of the repairs.  The trigger on my Impact from the factory was terrible.  Like 1/2″ travel in stage 1 and stage 2.  The trigger pull weight was in the 3 pound range.  I spent a little time working on it and gave up on how far off it was from a good setup for a “match” trigger as I had other issues with the gun and I wasn’t going to make modifications to try and fix them.   My exact quote to AoA in the return letter was

    The “match” trigger on this gun came from the factory more like a trigger on a $100 Walmart rifle.  I can set my other guns to work reliably at a few ounces of pull with no first stage travel.  Can’t do that on this Impact (it’s back to factory).”

    So what in my book is a match trigger?   Let’s start with what the ISSF (International Shooting Sport Federation ) states is a match trigger spec for a 10M air pistol : 500 grams or about 1.1 pounds. So here is my first video for AirGunNation so folks can see how I’m testing this gun vs me stating “the trigger is terrible” or “this trigger is great”.    This is my Steyr EVO 10 with a Lyman trigger gauge doing an objective measurement vs my 50 year old trigger finger with 40+ years of pulling triggers making a statement.  Make sure you click in the bottom right of the video and expand it to full screen so it’s clearer.  Disclaimer: I’m no Holdover Ted when it comes to video….

    http://vid1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah25/B_Scott_Harroff/MVI_0255_zps3nybhcgq.mp4

    Now, a 10M competition air rifle with a match trigger doesn’t have a minimum ISSF spec when it comes to trigger pull.  Many of these modern 10M rifles come from the factory in the 100-200 gram (3.5 to 7 ounce) pull range.  Many of the club shooters then set them up between 60 and 120 grams (2.2 to 4.2 ounces).  My statement to AoA was my other air rifles were set to shoot reliably at a “few” ounces.  So, here is the video of one of them, my Airwolf MCT after a few tweaks to the trigger.  It’s primarily a bench / pesting gun at the moment.  Again, expand the video to full screen for best viewing.  This is two shots both breaking at 3.2 ounces

    http://vid1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah25/B_Scott_Harroff/MVI_0263_zps9jibluhe.mp4

    And for an even better trigger (Thank you, Mr. Zasadny) here is my Daystate CR-X field target gun.  Its shots break between 1.9 and 2.1 oz.  

    http://vid1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah25/B_Scott_Harroff/MVI_0258_zpsq7ncvaha.mp4

    So, how did the Impact do after coming back from AoA?  Video below.

    http://vid1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah25/B_Scott_Harroff/MVI_0269%201_zpswyiyxrzj.mp4

    MUCH BETTER!  They managed to get rid of most of the trigger travel and it is now breaking cleanly at 12.8 and 12.9 Oz.   With just a little travel and being under a pound of pull by a few ounces, I’ll definitely say it is now performing in the match trigger range.  It’s 4x the pull of my Airwolf and 6x the pull of my CR-X but is definitely completely usable on a .25 hunting gun.  Would I like it lighter for a 100M .30 benchrest gun?  Yes, but more on that later.

    That’s it for today.  Next up, a check to see if the Impact is under 30 ES on fill from 250 to the regulator.
     

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    Thanks for the update, looking forward to more.
     

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    Good luck! Hope they have it working perfect.

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    I’m seeing too many “fine” European guns being sold by big dealers with some serious problems.  I wouldn’t expect that to happen.  I thought the Germans, Swedes and English had good control over their quality.  How can they send this kind of crap out the door?  Two of my friends had to return higher end guns back to the dealer because they were non-functional.

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    I know what you mean, For every good report on the FX Impact , I read five bad reports of things going wrong ,
    This in my book is not acceptable of a 1,800 dollar gun…
    I think they may be trying to rush the gun to market a little….
    I sure would like to put one in my gun safe , BUT not with all the problems they are having,
    Maybe the gun is just to complex for the average air gunner ?????
    I do love simple,
    Mike

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    I had wanted to do the feet per second and extreme spread along with an accuracy test at lunch today, but it was really windy and I didn’t want that to enter the results so I am posting on one of the other complaints I had to AoA on the impact the “fill regulator fix”.

    My complaint to AoA was “The fill adapter on the gun is unusable unless I have needle nose pliers or tweezers.  The adapter included to make this better does not fit on my fill hose.”

    When the gun came back from repair, I got back the same “free fix” adapter with no explanation on how to fix the issue.  I’ve seen new plates for the bottom of the gun, but I wasn’t sent one.   Here is a picture of my air supply hose with it’s standard Joe B. adapter on the bottom, and the new “free fix”adapter right above it.  First, the hose has a male thread and the “free fix” adapter has a male thread.  Those don’t work together very well!  Second, if you look at the area that one can grab at the top of the fitting, the one I have is basically the same size as the “free fix “replacement piece, so it’s no real advantage even if I were to go out and try to find a 4500 psi female to female adapter with the correct threading on my own.

    No notes were made around this on the AoA repair notes.  So, it is still a “need tweezers or needle nose pliers” gun in my case.

     

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    AOA made a slide-on piece for the foster which makes it easier to disconnect.  That piece supposed to be free for any Impacts purchased from AOA, only pay $7.50 shipping. My gun shipped a week after they announced that, still none was included with it.  That was back in April, not sure if the offer still stands. I told them to keep it. I am using a zip-tie around the foster male on my fill hose, works fine. 

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    fe7565,

    The AoA ‘free fix’ adapter that is included with new guns is right above the Joe B. adapter.  That was included with my gun – it just doesn’t fit my air hose or resolve the problem.  A plate to let one get their fingers closer to the guns foster fitting would be a better solution.

    While I applaud you for your creativity, we should not need plastic zip ties to fix our $1900 Impacts.

     

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    Here is my review of the repair for the Atlas bipod not working on the Impact Picatinny rail.  My exact note to AoA was “The lower rail is far enough off spec that I can not detach  my Atlas bipod (included) if firmly connected to the gun.  It can only be detached if it is flopping around loose on the rail.  This Atlas has no issues on my other guns.”

    Here is a video of what I got back from AoA.  Their response on the repair order was “No replacement available for lower pica tinny rail”.  So now one would need to carry tweezers/needle nose (for filling) and a straight screwdriver (to remove/add the bipod) into the field for hunting – vs things just working the way they should.

    Expand to full screen for best viewing.

     

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    Sharroff … measure the width of picatinny.

    I have Atlas 1913 picatinny rail and it’s 21.23mm

    My Impact picatinny is 21.09m outer most and inner two are 21.00mm or 20.99mm

    That’s a minimum difference of 0.14mm and a maximum difference of 0.24mm.

    I have to tighten the replica Atlas bipod screw just one notch to get it to fit Impact, but it can be a bit of a struggle to undo. On the Atlas rail it fits and comes of with ease, no loose fitment.

    Something going wrong with the CNC machines used for Impact parts .

    You can ask for a new part as measurements on yours must be quite a way off

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    sharroff:  that looks like an Atlas Bipod clone….the quick release is different…..that might be part of the rail problem??
                   The true Atlas Bipod knirled leg release has a lip at the bottom.
                   There is a good comparison of the two, with photos, here at airgunnation……use search
                   The true Atlas might do the same thing……dont know….

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    “sharroff”
    My complaint to AoA was “The fill adapter on the gun is unusable unless I have needle nose pliers or tweezers.  The adapter included to make this better does not fit on my fill hose.”

    When the gun came back from repair, I got back the same “free fix” adapter with no explanation on how to fix the issue. 

     

    
Here are instructions on how to install the adapter. 

    I also have a hose from Joe B. I used one of these & just added it to the existing quick disconnect. 
    http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_Male_Quick_Disconnect_1_8_BSPP_Female_Threads_Steel_Rated_to_5000_PSI_Incl_Delrin_Seal/3550
     

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    “sharroff”Here is my review of the repair for the Atlas bipod not working on the Impact Picatinny rail.  My exact note to AoA was “The lower rail is far enough off spec that I can not detach  my Atlas bipod (included) if firmly connected to the gun.  It can only be detached if it is flopping around loose on the rail.  This Atlas has no issues on my other guns.”
     

    
Are you sure that isn’t a Atlas clone? I had a clone & the specs/tolerances were very poor. I use 2 different bi-pods (Atlas & Harris) on my Impact & they are both very secure.

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    Motive410 and Michael,

    Here is a closeup of the bipod – it is an Atlast BT 10.  It had the knurled leg releases – they just didn’t show up will in my video.   I sent the bipod  into AoA along with the gun for inspection so they could check out the bipod as well.  

    Michael,

    -Edit- Ok, I now see what you did.  Thanks for that.

    Verve,

    Will do on the measurements.

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    sharroff,
    I have a Joe B hose that looks like the one you have on the picture and I pickup a female  NPT  to female 1/8″ BSP adapter for my FX connector at Wild West Airguns. Here

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    It might be a real Atlas, but the QD attachment cant be a real  American Defense Mount as they have a logo and the screw is secured in a hex slot so can only be adjusted when not attached, so im guessing thats the problem. Even the cheap knockoffs i have seen have had the nut secured in a hexslot.

    Quickfill port opening is machined larger on new versions, but i have no problem using the supplied quickDC.

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    gixxer3000,

    You are saying the base is correct but this top piece is not?

    Jack.K,

    So it is  BSPP to NPT per the link?1/8″ Female BSPP X 1/8″ Female NPT Adapter

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    Sharroff, here are a few pictures of the American Defense QD mount.

    The one on the left is a clone.


     

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    The hose adapter I purchase was part number BFR-G2F-2F-ST. 
    The is the setup.

    The side with a shoulder is BSP side

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    Jack.K,

    Thanks for the part number.  As soon as Midway’s site comes back up I’m going to get on the line and figure out what is going on with the top mount of the bipod.

     

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