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    So I wanted to spark a debate amongst the airgun community and ask some questions regarding this topic…

    1.) Opinions on FFP scopes vs Traditional?
    2.) Are FFP worth it on airguns?
    3.) Budget friendly FFP scopes?
    4.) Your favorite scope and why? 

    I plan to make a video regarding this and get peoples honest scope thoughts. Yes a large portion is based off personal preference and opinion as it should be, however it still leaves the door open for an “industry standard” so to speak. 

    Just for fun: When making adjustments do you prefer to use a holdover or use Mildot, or do you like to turret twist or use MOA adjustments? 

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    Can’t wait Mrod
     

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    “2D1C”Can’t wait Mrod
     

    
 Thank you sir, I will post a link to video when debate ends !

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    Great idea Man !!! 
     Me personally , I prefer SFP . it allows for more precise aiming . 
       Actually I prefer a fixed power scope , but thats a whole nother thread.

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    “JoeWayneRhea”Great idea Man !!! 
     Me personally , I prefer SFP . it allows for more precise aiming . 
       Actually I prefer a fixed power scope , but thats a whole nother thread.

    
 Good point ! And fixed power is less hassle but being able to magnify a target sure is helpful in hunting situations but I never move mine from 10 power due to my ballistic calculations and i hate math lol

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    + for what Joe says.  I have several variable scopes but 99% of the time they are never leave  10 or 12 power. Looking forward to your report.   

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    @socaloldman I agree as well, my scope literally never leaves 10x. I wonder sometimes why I just don’t purchase a 10x power fixed scope but with my ballistics app I have it tells me hold for any magnification for my scope. The other thing is, I dont like to always type in information into an app just to take a shot sometimes like (coyote hunting) time is precious and you have to make a quick glance at a chart and be able to squeeze and thats where i see FFP shining. Now squirrel hunting i take my time because I can enter all my info and have a lumch before those guys decide to find another walnut to munch on lol. 

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    I prefer FFP for hunting, because hold over marks are always correct no matter what magnification you are on.

    I find myself starting with lowest zoom, but when target acquired, I can zoom in into best view. Don’t even need to look at what magnification I’m at. 

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    @shutik Exactly! I know a lot of guys that hunt that don’t even use charts, or ballistics software and just want to use their holdovers. But for me and all the different angles and distances i shoot, it sure would make it great to not have to worry about what magnification I am on and take the shot, or be able to achieve a bigger or smaller sight picture based off distance rather than dealing with it because I know it affects my POI. 

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    “shutik”I prefer FFP for hunting, because hold over marks are always correct no matter what magnification you are on.

    I find myself starting with lowest zoom, but when target acquired, I can zoom in into best view. Don’t even need to look at what magnification I’m at. 
     

    
Exactly…although I use both FFP & SFP. My 1st plane scope is a weaver 1-5X which I find myself using more often because it’s more compact and serves it’s purpose well for my distances of 17m-40m. Like Joe mentioned the SFP allowing for more precision is true, I will always just use the reticle for holdovers on either of them as I find it easier to compensate and be quicker to get on target. Dialing turrets is where it’s at shooting long range though. The SWFA 3-15X SFP is just sweet at any mag number. I think that at the range most of my shooting is at, the magnification POI shift is not much, if any, as I have verified on targets.
    BTW, great thread Mrod.25…

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    @mag13 Appreciate the experienced input! I havent done a POI test on mine yet but I am for the video. And as far as shooting I almost use my turrets if given time simply because i feel it lets me concentrate on shot placement much more, and a squirrel head gets pretty small at only 10x when its 75 yards away lol ! Thanks for the information mag !

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    For me FFP works best for shooting at closer ranges (100 yards and below).  I like to plink at 150-200 yards and the scopes that work best on these occasions are SFP.  Until recently, all my FFP scopes are Vector Optics, but I tried a Hiram 4-14×50 FFP because it was very low cost and I like it so much that I bought another.  It seems that they are no longer available because I have not been able to anymore.  

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    @blackdiesel I havent used Vector on a personal weapon but a guy a hunt with does and I love their optics. A little pricey for my intentions but you cant beat quality! My next scope for my .25 Mrod is going to FFP for sure.

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    “Mrod.25″@blackdiesel I havent used Vector on a personal weapon but a guy a hunt with does and I love their optics. A little pricey for my intentions but you cant beat quality! My next scope for my .25 Mrod is going to FFP for sure.

    
Sending you a PM so as not to hijack this post.

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    In my deer hunting days I used a 3-9 x 50 Leupold. I knew the ballistics of my ammo.and seldom missed under 300 yards. This airgun thing is a whole different game. Slower projectile speed, more wind effect etc. I think experimenting with the FFP option is a good thing. I bought an Athlon Argos 6-24 FFP and i am still learning. I respect Joe Wayne’s opinion supporting SFP scopes ,but why not explore the options for your type of shooting?

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    @bogey47 I agree. I also think that knowledge of your projectile and trajectory will benefit with any optic that you plan on using. I took many months before I even purchased an air rifle to learn more about ballistics and what everything meant in order to assure that I could get maximum performance out of chosen projectiles. I meat a lot of guys who know little to nothing about ballistics and that is in both powder burners and airguns. I find it hard to be able to really shoot a quality airgun at any distance without knowing the basics and I think it’s great more people are latching on to airguns and hopefully people like Matt dubber and others will continue 2 preach the more complicated aspects of Optimal Performance from any weapon in general. Overall this is been a great discussion so far and I’m glad I created this post thanks to everybody so far who has tossed and opinion in!

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    I prefer SFP since I actually like manipulating the math behind subtension vs. magnification to accomplish a particular task (and reticle rangefinding).

    For hunting and field shooting I prefer a tree reticle of some sort.

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    I have both and I can honestly say I’m not impressed with the Hawke 10-50 I shucked out a grand for. Can’t use 50 power unless you site it in on that setting and then your stuck looking at fly eyeballs at 50 yards. I have just purchased an Athlon FFP 6-24 and love it. Reticle is not as fine but the ability to change magnification and not change POI is awesome. Wish I saved my money on the Hawke and just bought the high end Athlon. Also the clarity on the higher magnification Hawke is poor to say the least. 

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    @Hookster  First off….”Can’t use 50 power unless you site it in on that setting and then your stuck looking at fly eyeballs at 50 yards. LOL! I have have very little experience with Hawke Scopes or Athlon and have never owned one myself, so I have no voice on either brand actually. I agree that some scopes can be flat out overpriced, but that’s with everything nowadays… I am glad to see you enjoy the FFP scope though as I feel we have the same views on what makes them so useful. Thank you to everyone who has voiced an opinion so far, it really helps others weigh their options !

    I am doing a video on these most recent topics after the holidays due to the awesome responses from you guys! (CHANNEL INFO BELOW) 

    CHANNEL : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEuEvf4GVK9T47g5ytna2yA

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