Coyote Body Shot Distance Run vs Caliber Used differences .25, .30 .357 ?

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I notice when shooting squirrels the larger calibers expire the animal a little earlier than smaller calibers when taking BODY SHOTS ? My experiences in using a .177 on squirrel results the squirrel getting a few extra seconds of moving around time before passing out. Sometimes this can be 45 seconds to an extra minute versus a .25 cal. The .25 seems to anchor them almost instantly with every once in a while you gut a runner for about 5 seconds. 

So my question comes to Coyotes. My experiences has been with Powder burners, where a majority just drop right on the spot. So I am curious with guys hunting coyotes an taking body shots if there are differences between a really powerful .25, .30 or a .357 caliber ? 
Does taking a body shot on a coyote at 25 yards with a .25 caliber have much difference between a .30 or .357 ? Do they run more or expire the same ?

The .357 bulldog videos I have seen drop the coyotes right in its tracks ? Again 150 FPE vs a .25 or .30 40 to 80 fpe is a sizable differences ? Airguns of Arizona showed a coyote hunt with the FX .30 Impact. I was not impressed with the results of shooting those coyotes. They were small but seem to run a good distance before expiring. 


I am curious with your experiences in all calibers, body shots at distances ?

Jay
 
I have a 25 cal condor ss set up to shoot jsb king heavies (33.95 gr) at 55-56 ft lbs. I could shoot a 49 grain solid bullet from hunters supply wide open at 79 ft lbs. I always wondered if that really made a difference at 25 to 45 yards. Neither bullet will expand and it probably will pass thru or enter deep enough to kill. I would use either at that distance. I really think it has more to do with accuracy and good shot placement. I guess more is better but it wouldnt stop me from using my 25 cal. But that said i still want a 357. I would be interested to hear other peoples stories also.
 
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Im sure it will. There was a video posted on here a week or so ago about a guy in mexico (i think) that took a body shot on a pretty big deer (Buck) with a 25 cal Hatsan using a 25 grain JSB pellet under 900 fps at 60 meters or yards and killed it pretty cleanly. I wouldn't do that unless i was starving to death but it can be done if you put the pellet in the right spot.
 
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Critta, i seen that video. It was a bit hit an miss on the ethical decision. I am not saying one way or the other. I am sure it has been debated, I guess with me since coyotes can run so fast an so much distance in 30 seconds you could loose the animal an in that question your shot placement and caliber selection.

I am trying to maybe compile a list of what the average time is in expiring the animal.

I see some guys using smaller calibers but in my limited research they are not Killing fast enough with the expectations of powder burners. One such example is the AOA coyote hunt. I was a bit put off by how small the coyotes were and how far they ran. The other is by a TOFAZFU he has a .257 talcondor. He is a great shot but I think for some reason the bullet went through both of his coyotes an they ran a good distance. Those bullets used were solid spires I do not think they expanded enough. So is it a combination between power, pellet expansion ?


If we compare air rifles to pellets we do get some similar results of time expiration on the animal ?

jay
 
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I have shot, coyotes, foxes and even some jack rabbits, using the .25 cal heavies @ 61 fpe (at the muzzle). A well placed body shot, always seems to result in a frantic sprint before expiring or a follow up shot or two. In the wrong habitat, this can result in lost game. The problem is, there is little to no shock, as demonstrated by center fire. It is a little like shooting them with a field tip from your bow. Works ok in open terrain but at ranges under 50 yds, why wouldn't you just put it through the magic spot between the eye and ear? I would advise staying away from running shots.
 
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HuntJunky, yes from what I am seeing it is a good observation that a .25 or .30 is like a field tip versus a broad head. The videos I have seen always result in a coyote heading for the hills and hiding because it knows it is hurt. Id like more input thou since my information is limiited. If the coyote was shot with an expandable blades the coyote generally does not get far. The few .357 shots to the body seem to take the coyote out almost instantly thus 60 FPE vs 150 fpe. Id like to test the .357 red tip expandables on a chest shot for coyote or fox to see it will still stop them cold at 100 yards ?

I seen the result of those red tip .357 jbs on a squirrel and it reminded me of Pdog hunting. I have shot coyote with those ballistic tip .17 20 grain rifle and they stop dead in their tracks.

So my question to you with the .25 heavies, how far did they run ? 50 yards 100 yards? Did they try to hide ?

You mentioned a head shot, yes under 50 yards that is good but at 75 to 100 with wind and a movable target with 2-3 inches of play an estimation or range I would not take it. thus a body shot of an 6 to 8 inch plate is the go to. Only problem is how much it expands ?

Jay 
 
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Don’t think a yote will go far if hit with a .357 polymag,know a guy who removed the tip and shot them,they were devastating on smaller game. I have a tin of them that I’m going to try in my HMx, I’ll hand load with the tip on and see how they do and I’ll try them without the tip, I think they might even fit the mag for the HMx without the tip. Find out in a week or so.
 
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Yes from what I can see with those Polymag .357 they remind me of the ballistic fragmenting tips of the .17 20 grain bullets . Basically all the force goes right into the body with nothing exiting out. So many powder Burners I see the bullet go through without even slowing down, there is really no expansion or transfer of power into the coyotes body. From my limited experience you could use a lighter round as long as the transfer of power is there. 
Imold let me know how you do on those Polymags, Think i will order some of those as well for the bulldog. 

 
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There is a "professional" coyote hunter named Brian (cant remember last name) who has videos using a 25 condor for coyotes. I believe he uses the polymags with red tip and does quite well with body shots. But like you said if it is a dense woods it could be hard to find the yote. I like many here im sure have shot a medium size doe at 50 yards with a 3 inch magnum 12 gauge slug right in the boiler maker and could not find a blood trail for quite a while and found her over 300 yards away DOA. And it was a perfect shot. So I will use what I have now until I get my 45 Texan.
 
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"jaydog"Yes from what I can see with those Polymag .357 they remind me of the ballistic fragmenting tips of the .17 20 grain bullets . Basically all the force goes right into the body with nothing exiting out. So many powder Burners I see the bullet go through without even slowing down, there is really no expansion or transfer of power into the coyotes body. From my limited experience you could use a lighter round as long as the transfer of power is there. 
Imold let me know how you do on those Polymags, Think i will order some of those as well for the bulldog. 

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I’ll report on the polymags when I receive my HMx, it should be this week being I sent my payment in last week within a hour after Sandra Told me it was ready, sent it Priority Mail and then my scope for it showed up yesterday,decided to go with a Vortex Crossfire II 6-24x50 and then put my Vortex Viper PST back on my 6.5 Creedmoor......
 
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"crittahitta"There is a "professional" coyote hunter named Brian (cant remember last name) who has videos using a 25 condor for coyotes. I believe he uses the polymags with red tip and does quite well with body shots. But like you said if it is a dense woods it could be hard to find the yote. I like many here im sure have shot a medium size doe at 50 yards with a 3 inch magnum 12 gauge slug right in the boiler maker and could not find a blood trail for quite a while and found her over 300 yards away DOA. And it was a perfect shot. So I will use what I have now until I get my 45 Texan.
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I emailed him after I seen his video about using the .25 cal for yotes but anyway I got some 220gr swagged bullets from Nick to try in my Texan 45 Air Hog and he was right they are a real nice bullet and shoot well out to 100yards,I don’t shoot paper but as of now I can hit my 5” and 4” AR500 Metal Targets with no problem at 100yards and would have no issue doing a lung/heart shot on a yote at 100 yards with the .45 and I also just ordered a Mad Dog AirForce Ultima Long Texan stock for it to help stiffen the rifle up a bit and hopefully tighten up my shots.
I should add that the Texan 45 is new to me so I have a lot more practicing to do before I take it out yote hunting but then again that’s what I’m getting my HMx for....For now practice practice practice is what I’ll be doing..
 
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