Some one tried to scam me on my Sumatra. Think I'll play with the fool a while!
Only texts. 650.410.3537. Heads up. He knows the airgun lingo too,
Only texts. 650.410.3537. Heads up. He knows the airgun lingo too,
ATTEMPTED SCAM TODAY
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Should be pretty easy to figure out when you google the phone # and the first 6 hits are people calling him out for scams.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=650.410.3537&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=650-410-3537
https://www.google.com/search?q=650.410.3537&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=650-410-3537
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YA think I didn't know that? So what is your contribution to stopping scams?
We have to all work together or the webmaster will shut this site down
We have to all work together or the webmaster will shut this site down
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On my desk right now are two checks totaling over $4300.00. Both scams from forums like this. For a Sumatra I had for sale.
I bit on a Daystate Airwolf I had watched for 2 weeks. Cost me $1150.00
My bank wont help, the police wont help, Feds wont help. These scammers know this.
I met with my bank manager, reversed engineered how this all happened with emails and other definable information. Asking why the transaction couldn't be reveresed
as requested, within 25 hours of realizing I had been scammed.
WAS THUNDER STRUCK. REVELATION!! Don't do a cash transfer EVER. do a check. .
I asked, does this not make you complicate to a crime? You have his account number, you know who he is,
you can see where his deposits come from.
So I asked, (BTB for you) is Wells Fargo washing money? Most certainly you did mine.
I am pretty sure I can find an attorney to take on Wells Fargo with all their recent history!
I bit on a Daystate Airwolf I had watched for 2 weeks. Cost me $1150.00
My bank wont help, the police wont help, Feds wont help. These scammers know this.
I met with my bank manager, reversed engineered how this all happened with emails and other definable information. Asking why the transaction couldn't be reveresed
as requested, within 25 hours of realizing I had been scammed.
WAS THUNDER STRUCK. REVELATION!! Don't do a cash transfer EVER. do a check. .
I asked, does this not make you complicate to a crime? You have his account number, you know who he is,
you can see where his deposits come from.
So I asked, (BTB for you) is Wells Fargo washing money? Most certainly you did mine.
I am pretty sure I can find an attorney to take on Wells Fargo with all their recent history!
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Go for it! Wells Fargo was successfully sued in a similar action last year. The problem will be, you'll end up with a lot of frustration, and most likely on the short end of the stick money wise.
This reference is to businesses, but even individuals are protected under the law.
https://www.bncbank.com/files/OnlineBankingFraud.pdf
This reference is to businesses, but even individuals are protected under the law.
https://www.bncbank.com/files/OnlineBankingFraud.pdf
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First off not sure why you are attacking me in this post, or your other, but I would bet I've done more to help people and stop criminal activity than 99% of all the members on here.
Sorry to hear you got scammed out of $1150, but those scammer who do that play on your own greed. Did you honestly think someone was selling a $2200 gun for $1150? Did you talk to the seller? Did you email back and forth with him? Did you attempt to verify any personal information about him? Did you see if he was a member of any of these air gun forums? (If he tells you he's not that's a flag, if he is, have him post) Did you check any of the IP address's? Did anything seem like it was not straight up in the deal? (Like he lives in Texas but wants you to send the money to his Ex wife in Arizona?) These are all tips I give to stop these scams.
On a different note, the Police will help you if YOU do your part. They will not do everything. Depending on which state you live in and which state the scammer lives in would determine what charges would be filed and where. Some states have non delivery laws, theft by deception laws, or even civil laws over breech of contract. Each and every situation is different, but they are all violations of laws.
If you think Wells Fargo is guilty of "laundering money", then since you directed them to do it wouldn't that make you an accomplice? As far as them "knowing his account #, or knowing who he is - this is what subpoenas are for. All of this information can be obtained and used as evidence.
Let's look at this scenario - Say you and I were walking around a flea market and you were holding my money since I didn't have any pockets. Some guy is selling a car and I like it. I tell you to give him my $$. He takes it and drives off. Would you pay me back since you gave him my $$.
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Ask the bank pres. for the form to file a complaint w/state banking commision. The really don't want that!
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Not trying one bit to kick a guy that's been taken for money, but trying more to understand what led you to making a deposit into someone's bank account for an item you did not physically have.
Trust is one thing, was this something you freely agreed doing, if so how are you thinking the bank screwed you over for not being able to reverse your decision to deposit into a strangers account.
Again not trying do anything other than make sense of your situation, I just really don't understand why anyone would deposit $1K into an account, just what hook did they use to make you feel so secure in making such a risky endeavor, seriously.
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Ok I just read all these responses.
I'm not sure I have heard of anyone having a gun shipped to them before paying for it?
Yes we did email and talk on the phone. He banked at the same bank as I so I thought there was some safety in that.
I have read and seen the "PAYPAL" scams where people got took.
I have of the cashiers checks, money orders I even now have an ADT payroll check from HI !
There have been 4 Daystate Airwolf on this and another site that started at$1500.00 and are now sold at or are at $1100.00
Yes I talked to the bank manager, and I walked to the next level
My issue with the bank is, I proved it was a scam, they agreed it was fraud, they know who this guy is.
I asked them to look at his deposits and where they come from. I would bet they would find more than just mine are from across the country.
This is what he and others like him do. Sounds a bit like laundering money. They are in possession of stolen money. Ignorance is no defense
in court room.
Yes I filed a police report they don't have the resources to run this guy to ground
So all this said exactly how does one do this without knowing who the other person is.
Posts from you guys are why more people don't speak up about. You all feel better? I wasn't whining I laid out the facts.
Bigtinboat I don't recall attacking you about anything! You are the on the jumped up on your bow to rooster at me.
I put this on here to warn others! Some have absolutely NO idea how bad this has gotten on these airgun forums.
If we don't band together and root these people out? the forum will possible shut down.
I'm not sure I have heard of anyone having a gun shipped to them before paying for it?
Yes we did email and talk on the phone. He banked at the same bank as I so I thought there was some safety in that.
I have read and seen the "PAYPAL" scams where people got took.
I have of the cashiers checks, money orders I even now have an ADT payroll check from HI !
There have been 4 Daystate Airwolf on this and another site that started at$1500.00 and are now sold at or are at $1100.00
Yes I talked to the bank manager, and I walked to the next level
My issue with the bank is, I proved it was a scam, they agreed it was fraud, they know who this guy is.
I asked them to look at his deposits and where they come from. I would bet they would find more than just mine are from across the country.
This is what he and others like him do. Sounds a bit like laundering money. They are in possession of stolen money. Ignorance is no defense
in court room.
Yes I filed a police report they don't have the resources to run this guy to ground
So all this said exactly how does one do this without knowing who the other person is.
Posts from you guys are why more people don't speak up about. You all feel better? I wasn't whining I laid out the facts.
Bigtinboat I don't recall attacking you about anything! You are the on the jumped up on your bow to rooster at me.
I put this on here to warn others! Some have absolutely NO idea how bad this has gotten on these airgun forums.
If we don't band together and root these people out? the forum will possible shut down.
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2d1c,
your trying to help, Put the fellows phone & name up. Now if you "google" that phone number it does NOIT look like a good number to do business with, right?
You did a search here as well also?
Same bank as you use, cool. So he sent you a personal check from the Bank you both use, you took that to the Bank and CASHED it right? Naturally anyone would CASH such a check, so that's safe.
A U.S. Postal Money Order can be verified in a second at any P.O. , good way to do business.
This fellow had how many good references YOU were comfortable with?
Truly, sorry if you got taken,
it is up to the BUYER to be careful.
Sure do appreciate all the advice you shared tho "I" really don't think " the forum will possible shut down" as that is not exactly what a forum is for, free buying & selling is just a free perk you get which you must decide if you want to use or not.
John
your trying to help, Put the fellows phone & name up. Now if you "google" that phone number it does NOIT look like a good number to do business with, right?
You did a search here as well also?
Same bank as you use, cool. So he sent you a personal check from the Bank you both use, you took that to the Bank and CASHED it right? Naturally anyone would CASH such a check, so that's safe.
A U.S. Postal Money Order can be verified in a second at any P.O. , good way to do business.
This fellow had how many good references YOU were comfortable with?
Truly, sorry if you got taken,
it is up to the BUYER to be careful.
Sure do appreciate all the advice you shared tho "I" really don't think " the forum will possible shut down" as that is not exactly what a forum is for, free buying & selling is just a free perk you get which you must decide if you want to use or not.
John
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John,
I think he is mixing 2 different scams. The info he posted originally was a guy trying to scam him out of his sumatra, but apparently unsuccessful. If you look at what he posted on the yellow you will see who actually scammed him out of $$.
Here is what he posted:
[email protected]
317-451-9848
Now if you google this phone # you will find it is actually a "Non Fixed Voip phone number". If you google this you will see that it is basically a disposable phone # thru your internet provided, and it is based in Troy Indiana. (to me this is the first flag) Now I would think that based on the email the guys name might be Alan Pitts. The only Ala Pitts I am able to find in Indiana is over 12 hours away from the location of phone. (here's the 2nd flag) Based on the above I'm requesting more verifying information before sending anything.
Now for those attempting to prevent scams. Best thing to so is get the actual physical address of the gun and go see it in person. If you can't then get on the forum and see if some lives close by and could go look at it. Heck if someone asked me I would gladly go look for nothing. Would even go up to 3 hrs providing they paid for my gas. Next request pics be taken of the gun with something they would need to have with them. Maybe a newspaper, or tell them to write your name on a piece of paper and photo with the gun. Now if you are going to deposit money right into their account I would want to see a pic of one of their checks, with the account # and their name on the check. Lots more stuff you can look for too. Google their address and look at it on google earth. Now have them take a picture of themselves in front of the house, standing in the doorway with the door open. Good chance you will get none of the above from any scammer.
Now to the OP - if you have made a police report you need to have the officer (or if he is too busy you do it) subpoena the banking records for the account. If the officer tells you he is too busy speak with a supervisor. If this is a small town dept with high crime maybe they have a legit excuse, but if it's a larger dept the property crimes section should have no trouble doing this. Also see if they can file the necessary documentation with the bank to put a freeze on the account. You may, in the long run, be able to eventually recover some of the money.
OP - here's where I felt you were attacking me "So what is your contribution to stopping scams?". As if to imply I was doing nothing, and contributing to the problem.
I think he is mixing 2 different scams. The info he posted originally was a guy trying to scam him out of his sumatra, but apparently unsuccessful. If you look at what he posted on the yellow you will see who actually scammed him out of $$.
Here is what he posted:
[email protected]
317-451-9848
Now if you google this phone # you will find it is actually a "Non Fixed Voip phone number". If you google this you will see that it is basically a disposable phone # thru your internet provided, and it is based in Troy Indiana. (to me this is the first flag) Now I would think that based on the email the guys name might be Alan Pitts. The only Ala Pitts I am able to find in Indiana is over 12 hours away from the location of phone. (here's the 2nd flag) Based on the above I'm requesting more verifying information before sending anything.
Now for those attempting to prevent scams. Best thing to so is get the actual physical address of the gun and go see it in person. If you can't then get on the forum and see if some lives close by and could go look at it. Heck if someone asked me I would gladly go look for nothing. Would even go up to 3 hrs providing they paid for my gas. Next request pics be taken of the gun with something they would need to have with them. Maybe a newspaper, or tell them to write your name on a piece of paper and photo with the gun. Now if you are going to deposit money right into their account I would want to see a pic of one of their checks, with the account # and their name on the check. Lots more stuff you can look for too. Google their address and look at it on google earth. Now have them take a picture of themselves in front of the house, standing in the doorway with the door open. Good chance you will get none of the above from any scammer.
Now to the OP - if you have made a police report you need to have the officer (or if he is too busy you do it) subpoena the banking records for the account. If the officer tells you he is too busy speak with a supervisor. If this is a small town dept with high crime maybe they have a legit excuse, but if it's a larger dept the property crimes section should have no trouble doing this. Also see if they can file the necessary documentation with the bank to put a freeze on the account. You may, in the long run, be able to eventually recover some of the money.
OP - here's where I felt you were attacking me "So what is your contribution to stopping scams?". As if to imply I was doing nothing, and contributing to the problem.
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Have you tried contacting the Alphabet org Internet Crime Complaint Center? You can contact online, they have a form and will contact you.
You are right though many times people do not report crimes like this, but YOU are still a victim sir, don't let anyone make you feel otherwise.
https://www.ic3.gov/complaint/splash.aspx
I wish I still had my Alphabet org guys # sadly we fell out of touch when I moved, but don't give up on trying to get this criminal,
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Most of the time I use Paypal and pay the extra 3.5% so that Paypal covers the problem if there is one. If you use "friends and family" you are not protected.
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