Annual tell Daystate how to run their business day Jan 18th

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It's that time of year again gents. For those that don't know, January 18th is the official "tell Daystate how to run their business" day. An annual event where good people everywhere suspend all Daystate love for a day to tell them what they are doing wrong. 

I believe it is actually a public holiday in Finland and Nigeria but with this being America, we all still have to go to work unfortunately. 

The focus for this this year is the same as the last 5 years unfortunately as the message still isn't getting through:

Daystate, put regulators in all of your guns already!

I feel a more personal connection to this holiday this year because I wanted to buy a Wolverine B. I want a gun with Daystate quality fit and finish with a nice figured walnut stock and polished metal exterior components devoid of any imperfections etc.

I want to like the Wolverine but all of my research is showing me that it is about as efficient as a 1987 Yugo running on "alternative fuel". 

I keep reading from people who spoke directly to the company about this, that Daystate thinks that: the additional shots that a regulator would deliver is not worth the extra cost. Really? Not worth the cost? Not worth it to who? 

Reality check Daystate. Have you seen the price of your guns? If Gamo can give us a regulated bottle gun for $300, you can throw in a reg for that $2,000 because, at that price, we don't want to compromise on anything. It's the customer's privilege to decide how many shots per fill is enough. 

That's right! We want the best gun possible. We all like efficiency and more shots per fill because filling air guns is a tedious interruption to our fun. 

What is the point of wasting all our air filling up a 500cc or 480cc bottle to only get 65 shots?

A Taipan Mutant can do that with a fraction of the air and for a fraction of the cost.

It's time to drop the delusional message of "all the performance of a regulator without the hassle of a regulator". It's simply and obviously not true. The sling-shot hammer is not a reg and it doesn't perform like one. 

Or "a regulator is just one more component that could go wrong". This coming from the company who installs electronic components in their guns that need software updates and new batteries every couple of years... I think we can just about manage changing a few regulator O rings at 5 year intervals...

Don't get me wrong. I am broadly a Daystate fan. I wish other companies would follow their lead and start using nice wood and a high quality finish etc. There is a lot they right. If I didn't like their guns, I wouldn't care about their lack of a reg. 

I want a Wolverine but when I find myself wasting time trying to research how hard it is for me to do a diy altaros reg install on a $1600-$2000 air rifle, I have to stop myself and say "what are you doing???". I shouldn't have to do any DIY on a gun in this price range.

Daystate is not about "what's enough". It's about "how good could it be". 

 
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One of the greatest disappointments and puzzles still left in modern air gunning. Why can't Daystate produce a regulated gun? I made the mistake of buying a Wolverine hi-lite. The blessing in disguise that kept me from being even more upset and let down over it's incredible inefficiency was that I had other issues with it and AOA took it back for a refund.

Daystate, please regulate.

You've officially been upstaged by both Umarex and the Benjamin Marauder. A person can literally buy two Umarex Gauntlets, two Marauders, have spent less than a single Wolverine, and have 4 regulated guns to Daystate's 0. 
 
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Personally, I have no complaints about the lack of use of a regulator. The slingshot valve system is bomb proof and provides incredible consistency. No maintenance, fewer parts to worry about and put you out of a shooting day. 

On on the other hand, I do wish Daystate would offer us an adequately powered .25 cal. Something that would put out 55 ft lbs. 

Perhaps the option of having factory installed reg could satisfy everyone?
 
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Me and one of the guys on this forum worked out a fairly sweet deal for his .303 Hi-Lite ( thanks again, bro), but the 3 year warranty wasn't transferable...even if I had it sent to AOA first to give it a once over, pay a fee, and then have it sent to me they wouldn't honor a warranty.
I couldn't understand why they wouldn't look it over with the same attention they gave their used Daystates in stock and extend me a warranty....
Make warranties transferable upon AOA's approval for these expensive ass guns!
I don't know...maybe my rant has to do more with AOA than Daystate.

So, I had to settle for one of Tom Costan's .357 Slayers ...gotta wait up to 5 weeks for the Damn thing (sigh).
 
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zebra

What is the point of wasting all our air filling up a 500cc or 480cc bottle to only get 65 shots?

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I hear what you are saying and agree to a point. 65 shots from 230bar to 185bar. How many shots does a regulated gun get in that same "window" of pressure? I get alot of shooting off my great white because when I fill.....its from 185 to 230 bar. Not 140 to 230....or whatever the lower range is on a specific regulated gun. If you look at that window.....chances are the wolverine is as efficient with that air as alot of regulated guns. 65 shots is enough for alot of people depending on what your doing. Not speaking for anyone else here.....but for me I would rather have the wolverine as is in .177 or .22. Now.....the .25 needs to be regulated for sure......as well as the 303.
They really should offer the option tho.....cant argue that.
If money is no object......an airwolf gets a helluva lot of shots without a reg......less recoil from the hammer, superfast lock speed, insane trigger, super easy cocking.
It really boils down to this....in my eyes. No gun is perfect. There are always tradeoffs. The wolverines I have seen have absolutely zero poi shift from one day/week/month to the next. Theyre very quiet out of the box with very good triggers. Accurate. Finished very well. Excellent magazines. Downside is lack of bipod mount, shot count. The only thing I miss on my wolverine is a bipod.
 
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Seriously....

I recently got a chance to shoot a Wolverine in .22 caliber. Yes, it is a fine piece of workmanship, with an excellent trigger. The wood looked nice, it is relatively quiet, it shoots well, but with a street price of about $2,000 I wouldn't expect less. Accuracy wise, it's good, but it isn't any better than my .22 caliber Gen I Marauder with me behind it!
 
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I admit to being a FX fan, but when looking to buy my next 25 cal I had decided on jumping ship and buying a Daystate Pulsar. After doing the research it did not develope the power I wanted. I also have decided to never buy another non regulated gun. This would have been the chance for Daystate, to to take a FX sale and maybe convert a FX fan. Didn't happen. I still would like to try a Daystate but not without a reg. We vote with our $.
 
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"AR"How about a side lever
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+1. Nailed it. 

This may sound a bit harsh but Daystate seems to be set on making the prettiest gun, not one with the most substance or the best features. A bit like buying a ferrari with the powertrain of a Reliant. At least they have one model with a side lever, the Pulsar series. It sure would be nice to see them adopt this design feature for more models.
 
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"zebra"

What is the point of wasting all our air filling up a 500cc or 480cc bottle to only get 65 shots?

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I hear what you are saying and agree to a point. 65 shots from 230bar to 185bar. How many shots does a regulated gun get in that same "window" of pressure? I get alot of shooting off my great white because when I fill.....its from 185 to 230 bar. Not 140 to 230....or whatever the lower range is on a specific regulated gun. If you look at that window.....chances are the wolverine is as efficient with that air as alot of regulated guns. 65 shots is enough for alot of people depending on what your doing. Not speaking for anyone else here.....but for me I would rather have the wolverine as is in .177 or .22. Now.....the .25 needs to be regulated for sure......as well as the 303.
They really should offer the option tho.....cant argue that.
If money is no object......an airwolf gets a helluva lot of shots without a reg......less recoil from the hammer, superfast lock speed, insane trigger, super easy cocking.
It really boils down to this....in my eyes. No gun is perfect. There are always tradeoffs. The wolverines I have seen have absolutely zero poi shift from one day/week/month to the next. Theyre very quiet out of the box with very good triggers. Accurate. Finished very well. Excellent magazines. Downside is lack of bipod mount, shot count. The only thing I miss on my wolverine is a bipod.
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There is a thread on this forum where someone posted the results showing the improvement they achieved by adding a regulator. It was meaningful and that was just an amateur enthusiast installing a fairly average aftermarket reg as a quick diy project. 

A professional factory install of a top quality reg would probably be even better.

Either way, the data showed that adding a reg was a big improvement over just the sling shot hammer.

The way they are currently set up, they use the larger capacity of the bottle to put all the shots into the fairly narrow "sweet spot" (the flat part of the curve). They then say "look, it's consistent, we have almost no horse shoe for these 65 shots and that's down to the sling shot hammer". The reality is that if you zoomed out and tried to use the larger capacity of the bottle to deliver more shots, you would run head first into the horse show and shatter the view that it is just like a regulated gun. 

They tell you to refill at 180 bar on a 22... There are some guns that get the same power where a full tank is considerably less than 180bar. 

In addition to the absolute proof that Daystates would be improved by a reg (the actual test done by an AGN member), you only have to look at the shot count and air capacity of guns like the Taipan Mutant to see that the slingshot hammer system is not up there among the most efficient systems. They are getting more consistent shots from a small tube at the same power than Wolverine gets with a bottle.

I feel the need fo say this again: I am not anti Daystate. I am actually quite a big fan of a lot of what they do and wish others would replicate but this is one area where they aren't doing a good job of listening. And after all, this is "tell Daystate how to run their business day" so... no more jumping in to rescue them. Today's holiday is not about understanding and love. It's about something far more important: getting what we want and making air guns better!

Ddransoml has the right idea and is getting into the spirit of this holiday! Good point on transferable warranties! A warranty is meant to be a company's promise that they product will be defect free for x amount of time. It shouldn't matter who owns it currently. The resale value of a product is affected by stuff like that. No honoring the warranty makes that nearly new used gun worth a good bit less. 





 
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"Nueces"I read the first three sentences Of the OP's here and said to myself, "This has to be a zebra thread." And sure enough. I don't know which but one of us is on this site too much bro. %^)

Fess up man.....you're takin a creative writing course and this is where you practice. AmIRight?
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Come on... you know that my posts brighten up your day!

Sometimes you just need to break the monotony of all the "which O ring does my Wildcat use" threads or yet another "my Impact is leaking toxic gas and firing shrapnel at kids" threads!

and.... what better way is there to do that than telling manufacturers with many years of experience exactly how they should do their job better - all from the comfort of our quarterback's arm-chair.

As my father told me, " if you don't ask then you don't get....unless you take it when nobody is looking". 
 
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day sate your customer service is lacking. i have an air wolf with a burr the in barrel and when i asked for you daystate turned away from me and wouldnt not even want to help with my problem. steffano knows all about it yet he refused to look after my situation so now i got to live with a barrel with a burr in the air port.

as a result i will never buy another daystate again and will be buying rapid air weapons guns.
martin knows how to treat his customers and daysate dosent and thats a plain fact.

all this while my gun was in warrenty... to my view they should fix it for me now.

come on daystate people do not want to spend money on high end guys and then after the sale you turn yr head away and refuse to accept that theres any thing rong with a gun with daystate on it.
 
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Alright zebra.....mark it on the calender. It is overdue for daystate to regulate the U.S. fac guns. I still love my wolverine tho. However.....if they offered a good regulated version I would have to add to the collection. I would still keep the non regged wolverine tho. Its built like a tank and less to go wrong. But....in the spirit of adding to the thread.......yes Daystate needs to offer a regulated option. Furthermore......and this one is on me.......make it easy to mount a bipod on the wolverine. Extend the stock a little under the bottle with a rail or something. Even better would be a composite stock version with molded picatinny. Some kind of balistic polymer slip on for the bottle with picatinny molded in.....something.
 
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"zebra"
"Nueces"I read the first three sentences Of the OP's here and said to myself, "This has to be a zebra thread." And sure enough. I don't know which but one of us is on this site too much bro. %^)

Fess up man.....you're takin a creative writing course and this is where you practice. AmIRight?
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Come on... you know that my posts brighten up your day!

Sometimes you just need to break the monotony of all the "which O ring does my Wildcat use" threads or yet another "my Impact is leaking toxic gas and firing shrapnel at kids" threads!

and.... what better way is there to do that than telling manufacturers with many years of experience exactly how they should do their job better - all from the comfort of our quarterback's arm-chair.

As my father told me, " if you don't ask then you don't get....unless you take it when nobody is looking".
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I always enjoy your threads zebra. You are a boon to this forum.
 
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