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    I thought that the purpose of Accuracy points was to indicate the factual correctness of the individual’s statement. A quick view and you would know whether the person’s statement should be taken with a grain of salt or an entire shaker of salt. Unfortunately, members seem to use the Accuracy points to indicate that they disagree with the statement and not the “Accuracy” of the statement. I’m offended by your statement earns a – point, I don’t like your attitude earns a – point, I don’t like your behavior earns a – point. If you don’t like the statement or the behavior just say so. If the statement is factually wrong then give the person a – point. Using points to control the discussion and drive away people you disagree with does not foster open and honest communication, which should be the goal of the forum. Let’s hear from the moderators who assume the responsibility for the assignment of “Accuracy” points. Unfortunately, the United States has become a nation that values emotions above the open and honest exchange of ideas. 

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    “gamyrick”I thought that the purpose of Accuracy points was to indicate the factual correctness of the individuals statement. A quick view and you would know whether the person’s statement should be taken with a grain of salt or an entire shaker of salt. Unfortunately, members seem to use the Accuracy points to indicate that they disagree with the statement and not the “Accuracy” of the statement. I’m offended by your statement earns a – point, I don’t like your attitude earns a – point, I don’t like your behavior earns a – point. If you don’t like the statement or the behavior just say so. If the statement is factually wrong then give the person a – point. Using points to control the discussion and drive away people you disagree with does not foster open and honest communication, which should be the goal of the forum. LETS HEAR FROM THE MODERATORS who assume the responsibility for the assignment of “Accuracy” points. Unfortunately, the United States has become a nation that values emotions above the open and honest exchange of ideas. 

    
 This needed some editing…   So I deleted it and started again.

    I think it is ok to ding someone if you disagree with them about more than just a fact.  You might ding them on demeanor, maybe they aren’t being fair or courteous enough, maybe they are just being outright insulting or bullying.  Also the system as it is set up prevents you from just dinging someone over and over again or for that matter giving them points over an over.  Either would make it useless in short order. 

    It’s a good system.  No single user can negatively impact the overall standing of another user but the group can easily make obvious bad behavior to a person engaging in it.

    Anyway it is very late and I need to hit the fart sack so …

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    Everyone can use it as they want . Me personally I leave positive when someone helps , or just offers a cool insight . I save the negative for someone who is just being an Ass.
    I may have a total different opinion from someone ( I’m usually wrong ). Lol
    .. But its not a reason to leave negative points . I love hearing from guys who have differing opinions. Helps me keep my mind open to new ideas

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    Unfortunately I think it would be impossible for the moderators to police this especially because not everyone agrees on facts. Also, adding a point is positive while a point is subtracted to express the negative.  The idea is still intact as the accuracy score I think still represents the overall helpfulness of an individual whether or not all of their facts are correct all the time. 

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    IMHO, this system helps to keep stuff from blowing up into a clan war.  Other boards have had problems with the “cool” kids jumping into the fray when there is a disagreement.

    It serves to keep personalities from dragging a thread off topic.

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    Please watch this brief video on how the Accuracy feature should be used.

    @Oldspook – retaliation is strongly frowned upon, especially since the comments are anonymous.
     

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    “Michael”Please watch this brief video on how the Accuracy feature should be used.

    @Oldspook – retaliation is strongly frowned upon, especially since the comments are anonymous.
     

    
Are you making a public assertion that I have violated this principle?

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    No sir, I am quoting two of your comments from above:

    “Sometimes the easiest way to disagree with someone else is just to ding them a point. They can always ding you back”.

    “You can even then give back the point if you think it was taken wrongly”.

    Aside from these comments that can be perceived as retaliation, I agree with the rest of your content.

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    “Michael”No sir, I am quoting two of your comments from above:

    “Sometimes the easiest way to disagree with someone else is just to ding them a point. They can always ding you back”.

    “You can even then give back the point if you think it was taken wrongly”.

    Aside from these comments that can be perceived as retaliation, I agree with the rest of your content.

    
Whew… Thanks.

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    Well on the risk of getting dinged OldSpook got spooked (Sorry couldn’t resist)

    Seriously though while I understand the reasoning why we cant see who dinged us I.E Retaliation, I do feel that its an underhanded blow to ding someone just because you disagree with a question asked or a theory being discussed. The idea of discussion is to learn from one another and as long as the parties are doing so open minded then there is no cause for it.
    I personally feel that there should be some accountability to the use of the tool as it is up to a point a slander on a persons character to ding them with out just cause.

     

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    So are you saying that accuracy points won’t make me shoot better?  DANG!!!

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    what. accuracy points,when i first seen it i was saddened, i wish i never read the post,as for how i would like to see it,where all in this together with a lot of the same goals and ambitions, knowledge ,airgun tips and strategy ,comradery,and to ultimately shoot better,with more accuracy ,,to grade each other, i was done with that when i graduated high school.be kind everyone has different views with varying amouts of knowledge

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    “JoeWayneRhea”Everyone can use it as they want . Me personally I leave positive when someone helps , or just offers a cool insight . I save the negative for someone who is just being an Ass.
    I may have a total different opinion from someone ( I’m usually wrong ). Lol
    .. But its not a reason to leave negative points . I love hearing from guys who have differing opinions. Helps me keep my mind open to new ideas

    
Hey  the accuracy system can be bad because it can cause a bandwagon effect. One wrong post with or another member attacking another forum member can cause anyone that views the post to dock accuracy against the individual. This can be 20 different people who disagree with your post or think an individual is the worst person in the world. One could go from +8 to -10 with a one sided story or someone branding another member as a scammer. Anyone ever heard of the Salem Witch Trials ;)?

    Some words that would decrease accuracy dramatically: 

    “A” manufacturer sucks because of “B”

    People would dock the accuracy just from disagreeing and receive a number of decrease of accuracy based on how many people disagree(which is unpredictable amount).

    However if you post a statement that is factual and agreed upon(the exact opposite of the above example).

    “A” guns is amazing because it has “B” features that no other airgun has

    It would get no +1 accuracy, despite being accurate, factual, and opinionated. 

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    The system in my opinion is working exactly as it is designed to work.  It does not seem possible to publish all encompassing guidelines regarding acceptable reasons for voting one way or another as there is an infinite number of reasons that would have to be listed and at least one person would be needed to police voting full time. Therefore the best one can hope for is some general rules like the ones mentioned in the video above.  In my opinion the moderators do a good job. I had an unsupported negative vote so the moderators gave me a positive vote to even it out and ensure fairness. There are very few people with a negative balance and the reasons why they are negative is usually obvious when you read there posts. Of course a bandwagon effect is possible but I have not seen it yet. Can anyone who thinks that the way the system is designed is too prone to abuse point out anyone who is not deserving of their rating? Seems to me everyone with more than one positive point has helpful posts to validate their rating and the red dot users are always posting offensively. 

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