25cal springers...are they really worth having?

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josh3rd

josh3rd

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Member's this been bothering me a lot lately. For a while I've been wondering if it's worth having a 25 Cal Sprinter from England or Germany. For one they cannot really be used for target shooting I mean they can but they're not ideal for target shooting just basically a hunting rig. But something draws me to a English made or German made 25 caliber spring rifle. Why? I don't know maybe it's just because I want one. But aside from hunting do they really even serve a purpose. I mean it would be nice to have a big Beeman Kodiak 25 caliber or a hw90 or a rx2 in 25 Cal. For those of you who do not have a 25 Cal Springer would you want one and why would you want one. And for those who do have a 25 Cal Springer why do you have it and what do you use it for?
 
I have the Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25cal. Considered a, " magnum". Best I got out of it was with the H&N FTT @ 19.91gr. 858/32.55 (FPS/FPE). Generally gets like 23.85-26.00FPE at anywhere from 658-858FPS from the 900FPS listed on the box. 30FPE also listed, beat that. Shoots the heavier pellets (23gr+) rather quietly, but you can hear the pellet SMACK @ POI.
 
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if you are one of those guys who can work with mildots, to compensate for the pellet drop- sure they are great!
If you are one of those idiots all over youtube who just place the middle of crosshairs on the target, no. avoid them.

i would recommend, it will push your limits you will see.
think about it this way: the fastest crossbow, bow arrow will be still a lot slower than a .25 pellet even at 'low power'.
So it is up to the shooter to connect. If he is good enough.
Get something easier to shoot first, then when you get bored or want a challenge, then go for it.
 
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"unionrdr"I have the Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25cal. Considered a, " magnum". Best I got out of it was with the H&N FTT @ 19.91gr. 858/32.55 (FPS/FPE). Generally gets like 23.85-26.00FPE at anywhere from 658-858FPS from the 900FPS listed on the box. 30FPE also listed, beat that. Shoots the heavier pellets (23gr+) rather quietly, but you can hear the pellet SMACK @ POI.

Damn that's some heavy stuff. How's your accuracy?
 
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"sirk"if you are one of those guys who can work with mildots, to compensate for the pellet drop- sure they are great!
If you are one of those idiots all over youtube who just place the middle of crosshairs on the target, no. avoid them.

i would recommend, it will push your limits you will see.
think about it this way: the fastest crossbow, bow arrow will be still a lot slower than a .25 pellet even at 'low power'.
So it is up to the shooter to connect. If he is good enough.
Get something easier to shoot first, then when you get bored or want a challenge, then go for it.
You're right but I want a English or German. Nothing against other manufacturers or makers. 
 
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My accuracy is pretty darn good for a 61 year old! But I've done it for a long time, from Akisara's to Carcano's to Mauser's and Enfield's dad brought back as spoils of war from WWII. Some of those were/are heavy rifles, or had steel butt plates and kicked like lil mule. And I carried them all day without a shoulder sling! So these with slings are old hat to me. One can get used to anything if they try hard enough.
 
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G'day,

I have an English-made Webley Scott Patriot in .25. It's one of my more accurate spring rifles and, for me, not too hard to cock. In fact it is probably easier to cock than my .20 HW 90. The trigger is not as fine or subtle as some other rifles, but it is shooting at about 29 ft. pds. I had a recent discussion with a very good shooter who competed in shooting at the Athens Olympics. He works in the firearms industry and goes around the various gun shops in his business and also looks for used UK Patriots. He rebuilds and tunes them. He reports hitting and killing rabbits cleanly with body shots at 60 yards with these powerful rifles.

My problem, aside from not being an Olympic-level shooter, is that I have the [hunting] rifle, but there are no rabbits to hunt at the moment!

Jim

via Ballarat,
Australia
 
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Hi Gary,

I think you're correct. The locals are all bemoaning the lack of rabbits for hunting and have informed me that there was a release of a new strain of virus to kill them en mass, hence I have only seen two rabbits over the last couple of months and not near my property. 

For those unfamiliar with the rabbit problem in Australia two types of virus are used to control them. Have a look at these two videos and you'll understand why mass extermination by virus is used:





Jim


 
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"NTSOG"G'day,

I have an English-made Webley Scott Patriot in .25. It's one of my more accurate spring rifles and, for me, not too hard to cock. In fact it is probably easier to cock than my .20 HW 90. The trigger is not as fine or subtle as some other rifles, but it is shooting at about 29 ft. pds. I had a recent discussion with a very good shooter who competed in shooting at the Athens Olympics. He works in the firearms industry and goes around the various gun shops in his business and also looks for used UK Patriots. He rebuilds and tunes them. He reports hitting and killing rabbits cleanly with body shots at 60 yards with these powerful rifles.

My problem, aside from not being an Olympic-level shooter, is that I have the [hunting] rifle, but there are no rabbits to hunt at the moment!

Jim

via Ballarat,
Australia
See that's what I'm talking about. Hey in your opinion what 25cals are more appealing? Beeman, Theoben, or the HW line?
 
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Hi josh3rd,

I was a bow hunter, but injuries to both shoulders and old age put an end to archery, so I came into air rifles with the primary purpose of hunting with an air rifle. My problem is that I discovered old 10M target rifles and have collected quite a few. I was recently offered another [Theoben] HW90 in .25, but have limited space in my gun safes and am also retired so my budget is limited. If and when the rabbits come back - and they are the only legal small game available in Australia aside from imported pest birds - I have enough rifles to hunt them, but I can use my 10M rifles any time off the back porch with safety.

Jim.

PS. I forgot to add both my HW 90s are Theoben powered but labeled Beeman RX on the side. I really would like the .25 version, but......
 
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"NTSOG"Hi josh3rd,

I was a bow hunter, but injuries to both shoulders and old age put an end to archery, so I came into air rifles with the primary purpose of hunting with an air rifle. My problem is that I discovered old 10M target rifles and have collected quite a few. I was recently offered another [Theoben] HW90 in .25, but have limited space in my gun safes and am also retired so my budget is limited. If and when the rabbits come back - and they are the only legal small game available in Australia aside from imported pest birds - I have enough rifles to hunt them, but I can use my 10M rifles any time off the back porch with safety.

Jim.

PS. I forgot to add both my HW 90s are Theoben powered but labeled Beeman RX on the side. I really would like the .25 version, but......
NTSOG, so you got a rx 25cal? if so, please lets talk on the phone
 
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I have a beeman Kodiak in 25. it was made in England.
running at 30 fp ish with beeman crow magnum pellets.
very powerful no doubt. but for most small game hunting
​I found it eaaser to hit small game and put the pellet in the right place with my beeman r1 in 177..
​but man for the power of the Kodiak its really smooth to shoot and is super quiet.
 
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I don't know why everyone puts down Hatsan? They have German steel barrels, are not pellet picky, well balanced and accurate. I have the Striker 1000x .22 with Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope. Not a problem with it and it shoots great! But the Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal lists @ 750FPS, where my Benjamin Trail NP XL725 rates @ 900FPS. The H&N FTT's @ 19.91gr gave the highest numbers;

And English or German typically are no more powerful than less expensive rifles we have over here. Don't just pay for the name or the country of origin because you just ​know​ it's got to be better. They're not. They're just more expensive. Learn to be a better shooter. Don't think more money thrown at a problem will solve it. It won't. Just put your money into the right one, with some study.
​Hatsan Striker 1000x .22/Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope, about $156;

Crosman/Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25/ Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope. About $225.98 with free 2-day shipping on Amazon Prime. Seen here with my walker I'm pimping out to hunt, and my Trigger Stick in it's new scabbard I made;
 
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"unionrdr"I don't know why everyone puts down Hatsan? They have German steel barrels, are not pellet picky, well balanced and accurate. I have the Striker 1000x .22 with Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope. Not a problem with it and it shoots great! But the Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal lists @ 750FPS, where my Benjamin Trail NP XL725 rates @ 900FPS. The H&N FTT's @ 19.91gr gave the highest numbers;

And English or German typically are no more powerful than less expensive rifles we have over here. Don't just pay for the name or the country of origin because you just ​know​ it's got to be better. They're not. They're just more expensive. Learn to be a better shooter. Don't think more money thrown at a problem will solve it. It won't. Just put your money into the right one, with some study.
​Hatsan Striker 1000x .22/Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope, about $156;

Crosman/Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25/ Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope. About $225.98 with free 2-day shipping on Amazon Prime. Seen here with my walker I'm pimping out to hunt, and my Trigger Stick in it's new scabbard I made;

I am just soured from my past experiences of non English or German rifles. If they work for you I'm happy for you. I just can't seem to ever get a consistent from a non German/English rifle
 
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