Shot tight 5 shot group yesterday with 177 H&N FT 4.51 at 20 yards but today a 5 shot 2" nice vertical string down the middle with same pellet. What causes that? On the internet, just talks about firearms vertical stringing. One post says you get it when you pull the trigger at different times in your breathing cycle. I am sure it is something I am not doing consistently but cannot figure it out. Thanks in advance for all replies.
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HW/Weihrauch Vertical stringing for HW 35E
- Thread starter JDR
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Rigid bench, shooting with gun on my open palm on top of a folded towel on the bench; iron sights. My palm is near the end of the guns for-end. Using a Lyman shooting patch shooting out of my right eye with left eye closed. Very light trigger grip hold and cheek weld. Tried to be consistent.
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You don't need to get your palm under there. The bag and towel will suffice. Move the bag closer to the balance point nearer to to the trigger. Also, watch your shoulder pressure. I find that the rubber just kissing my shirt/shoulder works great on my 35.
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Shoot again tomorrow and see of its one of them things or persistent.. some days they just don't fly right or a just one of them things days.
Serms the other day mine started high and strung down . I figured atmospheric conditions.. ? I try to set the gun in the same on the bag ( my case a old tee shirt stuffed sock). May try another pellet like grab a tin of cphp at wal mart to test along side.. my r9 sermed to like the ftt .50 vs the .52 especially past 50y. .. still i stick with cphp.
Maybe give pictures of all things to consider...
Even i can suffer from vertical stringing and hi / lo left and right.
Serms the other day mine started high and strung down . I figured atmospheric conditions.. ? I try to set the gun in the same on the bag ( my case a old tee shirt stuffed sock). May try another pellet like grab a tin of cphp at wal mart to test along side.. my r9 sermed to like the ftt .50 vs the .52 especially past 50y. .. still i stick with cphp.
Maybe give pictures of all things to consider...
Even i can suffer from vertical stringing and hi / lo left and right.
One more thing . Grab a chronograph.
I just use a china bolt on barrel cheapo , but it does all i need .
I rarely if ever bolt it on just rest the muzzle in the yoke and shoot .. for 30$+/- i think i got my monies worth
I just use a china bolt on barrel cheapo , but it does all i need .
I rarely if ever bolt it on just rest the muzzle in the yoke and shoot .. for 30$+/- i think i got my monies worth
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I suggest a soft cloth on top of a front bag or rest. Use a light hold with both hands. Let the rifle glide on the rest near the balance point. Pull the trigger straight back.
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Take the thumb of your grip (trigger) hand and place it straight forward rather than across the grip.
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To come back on this are you also scoped and did you try irons and get the same results?
I ask because you just dont know if the scope gave out and got rattled or broken . If your not seeing the same amount of stringing on irons maybe a scope issue.. scopes on springers can be iffy.
I ask because you just dont know if the scope gave out and got rattled or broken . If your not seeing the same amount of stringing on irons maybe a scope issue.. scopes on springers can be iffy.
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Using iron sights. Did better today. Balancing the gun over a sand bag with a sock worked better than the palm under the end of forearm under a sandbag. Will try at thumb straight foward on next shooting session. Best 5 shot group at 20 yards was nickle size with H&N Light Match. Still some vertical stringing trying other pellets but definite it is my consistency of hold. Really liking iron sights on the HW35E.
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Kinda like max said find that spot to rest . Sometimes if to far forward like at the forend sctews may cause a bounce affect . Seems just thinking i rest around midway between the screws and trigger guard +/- . Honestly i don't see it a breach seal if a newer gun , but hw can be a tad sloppy on the piston seal condition. ( Lubing or nicking it during assembly.). My tube had some razor blades in it at the cutouts. Just ask my finger.
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I get vertical stringing when I'm not consistent with my shoulder pressure or positioning the stock in my shoulder.
I've recently went to a taller bench to position myself more upright. It seems the deeper I lean down into the rifle the less consistent my shoulder pressure and positioning is and the more vertical dispersion I get in my groups. I'm about to build a taller bench to get a more comfortable shooting position.
Also that darn small trigger guard screw has bit me in the ass way more than a few times too. You'll find that the screw changes your vertical zero gradually as it loosens. Grouping will be terrible when it's fully loose. I now use 262 red loctite and torque them to 15 inlbs to keep them put. And contrary to what the instructions say, it doesn't need heat to be disassembled. A good regular hollow ground screw driver is all you need.
I've recently went to a taller bench to position myself more upright. It seems the deeper I lean down into the rifle the less consistent my shoulder pressure and positioning is and the more vertical dispersion I get in my groups. I'm about to build a taller bench to get a more comfortable shooting position.
Also that darn small trigger guard screw has bit me in the ass way more than a few times too. You'll find that the screw changes your vertical zero gradually as it loosens. Grouping will be terrible when it's fully loose. I now use 262 red loctite and torque them to 15 inlbs to keep them put. And contrary to what the instructions say, it doesn't need heat to be disassembled. A good regular hollow ground screw driver is all you need.
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Carefull tightening that rear screw- if too much, it can pull and distort the sheet metal trigger box down and bind the sears...
Not had to try this, but possibly a lock type nut can be placed in the box if you keep having problems. Thats on later boxes. Some early are treaded into the sheet metal....
Not had to try this, but possibly a lock type nut can be placed in the box if you keep having problems. Thats on later boxes. Some early are treaded into the sheet metal....
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Also make sure the parallax on your scope is dialed in and you're putting your head on the stock the same every time.
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Consistency is the key. Contrary to popular opinion a light hold is not an absolute. I and my friend are using a firm hold and consistently shooting 1/4 inch and smaller groups at 22 yards. Neither of us touch our heads to the stock. Several guys who shoot our Springer bench matchES use a firm hold and shoot just as well as we do. I for one could never shoot consistently with a light hold. Experiment several days at a time with a hold then try a different hold until you find what works for you. Remember.....CONSISTENCY.
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