Question about Hunter class seated position

[K9bite]

I just recently started shooting Hunter FT. In non-positional lanes I've been shooting from a crate and bipod, shoulderr/hips positioned about 45 degrees to the target, with the butt of my rifle in the pocket of my shoulder. Is it legal to shoot from my crate, with my shoulders/hips aligned with the target, with gun resting on the bipod and across both my knees (similar to the deadman WFTF position)?

Todd

 

[Cloud9AG]

Todd, in Hunter FT class per AAFTA rules, the position you described is legal for non-forced position shots. Here is the content from the Common Division rules, Shooting section that is pertinent to your question:

• Other than using aids permitted by specific AAFTA Division Rules (slings, bipods, etc.), the gun
  must be supported solely by the shooter's hands and body. The gun may not contact the ground.
  Any part of the body directly supporting the gun may not rest on the ground. The body may not
  lean on or be supported by any features other than the ground or the shooting seat.

Hope this helps.
Jeff Cloud
AAFTA Vice-Chairman

 

[K9bite]

Yes it does. Thank you Jeff.

Seems like I could shoot more consistently from my lap like this. The only tricky part is I don't have an adjustable cheek rest, so it is a little trickier aligning my eye with my scope. When I practiced shooting this way today, most of my shots were spot on but I had a couple real fliers, off by like an inch at 25 yards. Pretty sure it was because my eye wasn't centered on the scope, if that makes sense.

Todd

 

[thomasair]

Get one of theee.

DG Designs Scope Enhancer - Blackpool Air Guns

This handy accessory is extremely effective at eliminating surrounding light from your vision whilst using your scope. It focuses your eye totally into the scope, allowing your eye to adjust and make maximum use of the light gathered into your scope.

www.airgunbuyer.com

It will give you a solid point of contact on your brow.

Mike

 

[K9bite]

Thanks, Mike, I'll check it out.

 

[doninva]

I think, by rule, the bipod can't be attached to rifle. Don

 

[K9bite]

I think, by rule, the bipod can't be attached to rifle. Don

Right, I have a bipod that doesn't attach, it falls away.

 

[okieairgunner]

Get one of theee.

DG Designs Scope Enhancer - Blackpool Air Guns

This handy accessory is extremely effective at eliminating surrounding light from your vision whilst using your scope. It focuses your eye totally into the scope, allowing your eye to adjust and make maximum use of the light gathered into your scope.

www.airgunbuyer.com

It will give you a solid point of contact on your brow.

Mike

I been looking for something like this. To bad they are out of stock.

 

[Smok3y]

I been looking for something like this. Too bad they are out of stock.

I like them, but they don’t fit my Kahles. I haven’t found one that will. I bought two a couple years ago, and extra in case modifying didn’t work out. I tried cutting the first one to get it to fit, as it gets wider, but it didn’t work out. I still have one, but can’t use it on the scope I want it to work on. Saving it in case I ever switch scopes.

 

[K9bite]

I been looking for something like this. To bad they are out of stock.

Yes, I saw that too. My Sightron came with an eye cup but haven't ever tried it (wasn't going to try it today but woke up to rain

 

[thomasair]

The Sightron eyecup is a floppy turd. It will not help as a point of solid contact.

Mike

 

[Motorhead]

Let me share a really neat trick on FIRMING UP a bellows type eye cup ....

This will take 2 different diameter O-RINGS & that size you must determine
First get the bellows eye cup fitted and cut to an @ ideal length for eye relief required.
* You start by placing an o-ring within every PLEAT / Fold of the bellows INSIDE as well OUTSIDE.
The inside will use smaller diameter than out ....
Once done the FIRMNESS as well how straight it is w/o droop will be vastly improved.
* You may need to fine tune the length a pleat or so to reestablish correct eye relief.

For PISTOL FT especially .. this is a FANTASTIC Modification that is perfectly legal

 

[K9bite]

The Sightron eyecup is a floppy turd. It will not help as a point of solid contact.

Mike

"Floppy turd," wow, that brough up an unpleasant mental picture. Now I especially don't want it anywhere near my eye!

 

[RScott]

Yes it does. Thank you Jeff.

Seems like I could shoot more consistently from my lap like this. The only tricky part is I don't have an adjustable cheek rest, so it is a little trickier aligning my eye with my scope. When I practiced shooting this way today, most of my shots were spot on but I had a couple real fliers, off by like an inch at 25 yards. Pretty sure it was because my eye wasn't centered on the scope, if that makes sense.

Todd

If you think the crosshairs shift as your eye moves around, you might not have focused properly. Most scopes' "focus" knob is actually a "parallax" correction knob. When it is properly set, as you move your eye, your crosshairs will not shift left/right/up/down from the point of aim. If at that point the image is fuzzy, you should adjust the front eyepiece ring until the target comes into focus. Then the parallax knob will align with good focus as you look at targets at various distances.

And BTW, I might be wrong, but I'm not sure eyecups are permitted to be used to stabilize the gun in rifle hunter division FT. OK in pistol.

 

[thomasair]

Eyecups are fine for any division.

Mike

 

[K9bite]

If you think the crosshairs shift as your eye moves around, you might not have focused properly. Most scopes' "focus" knob is actually a "parallax" correction knob. When it is properly set, as you move your eye, your crosshairs will not shift left/right/up/down from the point of aim. If at that point the image is fuzzy, you should adjust the front eyepiece ring until the target comes into focus. Then the parallax knob will align with good focus as you look at targets at various distances.

And BTW, I might be wrong, but I'm not sure eyecups are permitted to be used to stabilize the gun in rifle hunter division FT. OK in pistol.

I haven't had time to play around with this position since the other day (shot in a match yesterday and rain today) so I'm not 100% sure what was causing the occasional extreme miss. It didn't feel like the crosshairs were moving. Seemed like the cross hairs were aligned with the target, but the point of impact was not aligned with where the crosshairs were held. Maybe I'm wrong, but seems to me like if I was looking through the scope at a slight angle, so the point of aim didn't match up with the actual point of impact.

 

[Motorhead]

And BTW, I might be wrong, but I'm not sure eyecups are permitted to be used to stabilize the gun in rifle hunter division FT. OK in pistol.

Generally the stability provided with an eye cup used on a rifle in negligible and in the overall of what actually stabilizes the shooters hold with a Pistol IT'S HUGE !!!

 

[scotton]

... so I'm not 100% sure what was causing the occasional extreme miss.

Welcome to field target.

 

[John "spysir" Blount]

David Slade might have some on the Bisley eye cup's in stock. I'm sure they help with eye alignment but I appreciate the reduced bright light interference. Just seems to help somehow.

John

 

[oldsparky]

For those of you that have used one of these. Will they work with eye glasses?