So despite our opinions not being very useful, they were exactly what you just said...
Notos: Better performance out of the box
Prod: Better parts support and customizability
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So despite our opinions not being very useful, they were exactly what you just said...
Notos: Better performance out of the box
Prod: Better parts support and customizability
I wonder why they advertise the Notos at 700 FPS with 13g pellets? When I saw that I just kept going. I am now taking a second look.
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My first PCP was a Prod and I throughly enjoyed it and still do. It is under 5 lbs with it's Hawke 2-7 scope. The Crosman butt stock is not great so I made my own which is lighter and the comb is not so ridiculously low. I tuned it up to 17-18 fpe and it kills squirrels nicely now. It is also a great gun if you hand pump. The air storage is only 66cc so you don't get a ton of shots and the max power you can get is about 20 fpe but you can hand pump it back up with less than 50 strokes. I get 20 good full power shots at my current power level and 24 if I want to allow for a little more drop in the last 4. Plenty for every hunting trip I've been on.
I also have and love my 3 P35s, a bullpup. The are just over 5 lbs without a scope. So 6-7 lbs with a scope. Even the 177 has more fpe than the Prod and gives me over 100 shots per fill. Could be hand pumped but it wouldn't be any fun to fill it's 265cc storage. Not as light as a Prod but still light for a bullpup. I have the 22 and 35 tuned to a little over 30 fpe. Still get lots of shots. Regulated. Accurate. Light. Only real drawback is the scope is really high so you have to hold over until about 20 yards. But for longer shots it's accurate and has the power. For shorter shots I have to learn to hold over.
I like having both.
I also have and love my 3 P35s, a bullpup. The are just over 5 lbs without a scope. So 6-7 lbs with a scope. Even the 177 has more fpe than the Prod and gives me over 100 shots per fill. Could be hand pumped but it wouldn't be any fun to fill it's 265cc storage. Not as light as a Prod but still light for a bullpup. I have the 22 and 35 tuned to a little over 30 fpe. Still get lots of shots. Regulated. Accurate. Light. Only real drawback is the scope is really high so you have to hold over until about 20 yards. But for longer shots it's accurate and has the power. For shorter shots I have to learn to hold over.
I like having both.
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I love my Prods,some as pistols,some as carbines,I like carbines way better than Bull-pups.I shoot left-handed and that helps me decide what I really like. If you are going single shot it is Hard to beat a Crosman 1720 .
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I'm also interested in this. The Prod trigger is pretty good, especially after some polishing. But the trigger blade is very narrow and it benefits from a trigger shoe.
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Out of the box the Prod trigger is better than the Notos trigger.
The Notos trigger was too heavy out of the box (around 3-5 lbs) and it broke very abruptly.
I adjusted one of the trigger screw and I polished various surfaces and now the trigger is good enough, still worse than the Prod.
This is what can be done to the Notos trigger (same trigger as the PP750):
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The Notos trigger was too heavy out of the box (around 3-5 lbs) and it broke very abruptly.
I adjusted one of the trigger screw and I polished various surfaces and now the trigger is good enough, still worse than the Prod.
This is what can be done to the Notos trigger (same trigger as the PP750):
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I dunno if the pp750 could be included in the title as to me the trigger looks the same on Bagnall & kirkwood diagram. The pp750 has looks the same but uses a lever rather than a bolt action to cock. Maybe someone who has both can verify this. I finally got my trigger consistently below a...
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The P35 trigger is not so good as received. The first stage spring is set too high and it's force is also there in the second stage. But all you do is loosen one allen head screw to lower it to almost nothing. That gets you to a decent trigger. But if you put on a longer sear screw you can get it under 1 lb and crisp. So with a little work it has a good trigger. My Prod trigger was good right out of the box. It is the only trigger on my 5 airguns I have not messed with. But it is easily adjustable.
P35 barrel is 450mm or about 6 inches longer than my Prod.
P35 barrel is 450mm or about 6 inches longer than my Prod.
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The Notos trigger is easily tuned, I had mine so light it would fire when Imclosed the bolt, had to back off a bit.
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Hi! Just wondering what this Notos is! I was thinking of a PROD and have never heard of this. Thanks!
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You should get the JSAR AR adapter set and put lightweight furniture on as well as an aluminum air tube. Should be comparable in weight to the p-rod, with more shots and since you already know what pellet it likes you’re already set up. Win-win
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I started pellet air gunning as a youngster with a Benjamin pump, so nostalgia and brand loyalty has a bit to do with it, but I just started PCP shooting with a P-Rod and an Akela as my two lower end guns. The P-Rod is very light weight in comparison to the Akela, but both are quality pieces and extremely accurate for my purpose as backyard friendly target practice and Starling elimination. I have taken advantage of the aftermarket for the P-Rod and dropped a pretty penny into it, because I can. Other than my 1377, on which I mounted the P-Rod Crosman stock, I am really fond of it. I wish I had gone with a .177 in the P-Rod and .22 in the Akela, instead of the other way around. Buck Rail makes some neat stuff for both guns as well. I'm a former Marine and but not a "black rifle" fan, but rather a traditional wood and metal rifle loony (I was issued the M-14 in the Marines)
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This is the Umarex Notos:
Umarex Notos | PCP Carbine Air Rifle | Pyramyd AIR
The Umarex Notos is a lightweight pcp carbine air rifle that gets 700 fps/13 fpe and can be used for small game hunting.
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I am not sure what your photos are trying to say.
You seem to like Crosman airguns.
I have more Crosman airguns than any other manufacturer.
In the PCP world Crosman has stopped inovating years ago.
Now they are selling Kral made airguns (quite nice) under their Benjamin brand.
I also have a Marauder Pistol (AKA Prod) and a Umarex Notos.
The Umarex Notos easily wins against the Benjamin pistol in terms of performance, build quality and price.
The only gppd thing for the Prod is the Crosman 5 year warranty and part availability.
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Like I said, (photos) nostalgia and brand loyalty is at play with my Benjamin guns. Reliving my childhood with some really neat toys I did not even know existed until a month or so ago. 
To each his own. I wouldn't dare besmirch your Notos that you are so proud of. I wish fun and enjoyment with it.
To each his own. I wouldn't dare besmirch your Notos that you are so proud of. I wish fun and enjoyment with it.Upvote 0
With the hype (deservedly so) surrounding the Notos, I feel like I've seen more Prods pop up used in the classifieds.
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