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EDgun Edgun Leshiy 2

Maybe it has been answered, if it has please point me to the link. How is the magazine sealed against dust and grime from gumming up the internals? I realize it’s not designed for severe conditions, but I am wondering about how things are sealed in order to protect the mechanisms so they continue to rotate and have the timing needing to align the pellet with the barrel.




Like some other magazines, no seals against dust. But in comparison to other systems (automatic magazines, for example), this magazine is open, nothng can get inside it and jam it. The same with the mechanism of the revolving. It is closed, has no connection to the outdoor :) Only ratchet. The roller which make the chamber to match the barrel is difficult to stop by dirt. I cannot see any problem with the dirt or dust for this system.

Yes. Much like the older generation FX...or current Taipan Veterans. As far as the mechanism it operates similar to revolvers and they are not sealed.

If one is in a dirty environment they could store the extra mags in a medicine bottle. Likewise a cover could be designed to protect the mechanism but it really shouldn’t be necessary.
 
EDgun should, EDgun must and all bla-bla-bla... You sounds like bloody socialists, whos poop I have eaten enough in my Soviet Union life, before USSR was gone. I was tought that an idea to countr somebody's income has a quite bad taste in the West world, but watching what has been happening now in that world, how easy this World forgets all the human rights and all the bullpoop it tried to feed us with so I just think that it was another myth as well. OK, one more disappoint of the West Dream fable, I am used to it already....



First of all, the key principle of life to me -- nobody owes you anything! Neither government, not your relatives, or friends, nobody. When you have it driven in your mind, you have no disapoints of anything happening around. Thus nobody has to follow your wish to spend less money for what you want. It is quite easy if you want something but you don't have money for that -- you just don't need it. As, for example I don't need any modern yach, since I have no money for that. And if I go the yacht factory yelling about high prices... you know what answer I will get, right?



One of the stupidest thing is to compare the prices in different countries, not paying attention to different factors. Wnat the Leshiy 2 for the price in Russia? There is no problem, just came and take it, easy to do! We are not yelling that cars in Russia cost twice the price of the cars in Germany or USA or other countries. If we need them, we buy them if we don't need them or we have no money for them -- we just take something made in Russia, worse quality but less expensive. How you, from the West world has tought us -- free market? Yes, right, when capital from USA and other West world countries came to Russia after USSR was gone and bought everything for nothing, that was very good and right way, wasn't it? Now, when it turnes back you start to say "That is wrong!". Really!? Well, you tought us this, just accept the fact we were a good students.



Any thing cost the exact price people are willing to pay to get it. Even if somebody thinks that is unfair. That is the main economic law of the free market. I did a wonderful product, having spent enormous volumes of time, skills, money and resources for that. You want me to give it you for free, just to please you? Really!? I think you want to insult me by that proposal... We say in Russia the oats are cheap, but the boats are expensive...



Oh, I have an idea! I will sell this idea and all the documentation to FX to make the gun and sell it to the clients! I think they will take it with pleasure. And I will be quite happy, making just pure creation of the new projects, and selling them to the other companies. No claims for the price, no service head ache, no expenditures for the sales to my workers. Pure creativing and pure income. Would do you think? Will you complain FX price the same lever for this gun? :)



With the best regards



Ed


I made valid points to you which you could incorporate into your operations but you chose to take my words personally and start insulting me.Trauma counseling is generally needed for people who have been under oppressive regimes.Don't project your bad experiences onto me.You are not selling yachts to the elite of the world, you are just selling airguns.I get your point that no one owes me anything ie. internal locus of control but that does not mean that you can bait people with your product and not give them a price or sell the gun at a low price in one market and double the price in another market for exactly the same gun.How can you compare the cost of Russian goods to goods from Germany and USA when USA and German goods are the most sought after in the world.It is not my problem that your government is excessive with customs on goods coming into Russia.It is also not my problem that corrupt USSR politicians sold your countries assets for a song.

Your point on selling your idea to FX is quite a good idea as FX is looking for creative individuals to partner with to take the industry to new levels.An example of divergent thinking instead of convergent thinking.If you actually did sell your idea to FX, I would have the Leshiy 2 in my hands right now in a hardcase and not a cardboard box.Also,the gun will be cheaper from FX as they won't price it higher then their main product,the Impact.They understand the concept of economies of scale.

You talk about service.Let us go into that.You make promises on Youtube that you will supply spares.You use the platform for punting sales but fail on service.I spoke to you last year multiple times about a laminate stock,stalker scope and magazines.You gave me your word that I would have them last month but you did not honour that commitment.When I asked you about the items,you send me from one dealer of yours to the next who inevitably cannot help me.Now you ignore my emails.You sent me to Edgun West for a laminate stock but could not supply me.He then starts ignoring my emails just like you.Maybe it is because I did not buy the gun from him.I am fortunate enough to have residences in the UK and South Africa.I see that instead of using reputable dealers like BAR(Blackpool Air Rifles) or Sportsmans Gun Centre in the UK,you use a rude sailor named Graham who does not even have a website.His speech leaves much to be desired however his ego deludes him to think of himself as a modern day Shakespeare.Here is an excerpt of his writings on a public airgun forum with regard to Leshiy 2, "Such a cretinous suggestion is both incredulous and ludicrous, for the fiscal point of taking a deposit is not for me to buy a ticket to the Philippines and bangkok horny whores for half-the price of a badly packed kebab (done that, been there & bought the T-shirt several times)." I'm sure kids at dinner tables will enjoy such eloquent speech.You changed your reputable dealer Airgun Nut in South Africa to Pellet Guns.He complained that it takes ages to get anything from you.I tried Pellet Guns for the items that I wanted.You guessed it "don't have".None of them were even proactive enough to try and get me the items which I wanted.

Edgun....a service fail on 3 continents!

People have a false impression that Edgun is a Unicorn gun and nothing goes wrong with them.When I contacted you about my Lelya 2 rusting only a month after purchasing it,your response was "That is such kind of steel".So you are aware of the problem but are not willing to rectify it.An example of you buying cheap parts and selling expensive guns.I rather not be able to drive over my gun then have it start rusting.I wonder if you can drive over Leshiy 2 like how you drive over a Matador.Do a video of that will you,to show us what a good gun the Leshiy 2 is.I also noticed that there is no EDMU gauge on Leshiy 2 which makes it cheaper to manufacture.Buy small,sell big.Awesome.Another point worth noting is that,when I increase the hammer spring tension on this gun,the action gets so loud that I have to wear ear muffs when shooting.

Pictures below of 1 Month old Lelya rusting....

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In the AEAC video,it was strangely said that your gun has a match grade Lothar Walther barrel but in your correspondence with me you told me that it has a standard Lothar Walther barrel.It was also said that your gun has a match grade trigger but strangely cheaper guns like my Vulcan and Bantam Sniper have better triggers.On the subject of barrels,I see that you now use cheaper barrels made by Alfa instead of Lothar Walther barrels on Leshiy 2.To me it looks like you get bits and pieces made all over the show and put them together and call it Edgun.You should get AEAC to do a factory tour of your facilities.It would be nice to see the operations of a top airgun manufacturer.

Also,kindly tell us what happens to all the money thats been prepayed to you now that Russia is on lockdown.

In conclusion I would like to say that I still like Edgun.No hate,just facts.


 
Insulting you?! Really!? So, when you push me with “EDgun must…” that is just a normal way to communicate but when you get it back in the same way you feel insulted! Splendid! :)



The laminated stocks, scopes and other are not the service, just in case, I consider them as the additional goods, which I can have or cannot have in stock, or just decide not to make them. Do you want to convince me in the idea that if somebody think that he needs the laminated stock for his gun the producer must have it in stock?



As for the SA dealer, you said Airgun Nut. OK, isn’t that the company of Eugene Van Wyk? Maybe you don’t know about Eugene got the guns from me in 2017 and still owes me money for them, and when I tried to get them back, I got only bla-bla-bla “I am going to pay…” from him. Do you want me to keep going work with the man who has stolen my money? Just because you like him. Really!? Peter from SA pays in advance and I have no problem with them. No EDguns in SA? OK, it means only one thing – you don’t need them there. OK. I will live with that information farther on.



Rusty part. OK, can be, any guns needs to be lubricated. I don’t know what atmosphere you used it in. My friend has Remington 700, it gets rusty even being in the soft case. He just lubricate it, that is it. If somebody needs any parts he just writes to me and get the parts, many of them. The bad service? OK, you can call it that way.



You don’t like Graham in UK. That is only your, personal problem. Meanwhile Graham starts to pay me for L2. It means that he has clients for it in UK. Should I fire him because of his Shakespeare style of writing (by the way I have called it myself the same word, Shakespeare style and I told him that I don’t read it carefully as I am getting tired of it and he started to write very laconic and only on the point). OK, you shouldn’t read it, just leave it and deal only about the gun. If I need something I don’t care what kind of person is that who has what I need, I just come and take. Yes, Graham is a new player in this field. So what? Everybody used to start from scratch. For example Brian (EDgun West) and airgun enthusiast who had no intention to become an airgun seller. OK, now he it is, with quite a good turnover. Should I replace him with some “professionals”. No way, I talked with some of them – in fact they don’t care neither about the gun no about the customers. Yes, they tells you the words you want to hear, but in fact they care only about your money. I don’t want to work with them, I prefer people like Brian or Graham. They will learn quickly how to deal with the business and the most important fact for me is that they are enthusiasts.



The price, no doubt you don’t care about the Russian corruption and all of that, just because you are used to live in your own comfort world and if anything ruins the comfortness of this world you don’t care about the reason and get upset, something went not according to you plan. OK, just accept the fact that the life is not built around you.



As for Lothar Walther barrels. I call them standard, because they are standard for me :) But they are not the blanks which they sell from their web site. The barrels are made according to my drawings and they have even unstandard twist and double honing finishing process. If they can be called “premium” I have no idea.



Who has told you about the match trigger in my guns? I never eve told that. You like trigger of Vulcan or other guns better? OK, I am very glad for them and you. Just choose what you like and use it. You are saying about cheaper barrels from Alfa. Do you have any idea about the price I pay to LW or Alfa? Or that is just you speculation which you try to push as a fact? That is just the total ignorance that you give out for knowledge. Besides Alfa barrels are used for Russia market for now and I as well as my clients are completely satisfied with them. I don’t care about the brand I care about the quality.



As for Russia and lock down. I told many time – don’t trust media it doesn’t matter whos they are, they are all lie on us. We are working. The parts are being made and as I told before I am sure we will start the assembling in June, according to the plan. As for the factory tour, what will it give to you? Even if my factory is just a desktop with Internent and the parts are made all over the world, the only point which should be important for you or other clients if the quality is good. And it doesn’t matter what CNC machine they are made and where those machines are installed.



So, I don’t know why I have written that again, everything is very simple – if you like the gun and can afford it, you will take it. If you either don’t like it or you cannot afford it I see no reason to persuade you into buying it. In fact I don’t care. And yes, no hate just facts :) 



With the best regards



Ed