.177 at 100 yards that much of a disadvantage over .22,25, .30?

My wife's RW came in 177 w a polygonal barrel and truly is amazing with every JSB. She used the 16.2s to win the 50 yd benchrest at EBR in 2018, I believe. It is VERY competitive up to about 75 yds. The 16.2s seem to get unstable after that and I pushed it higher and higher till it seemed to hold together as much as possible at 100... right at 1000 fps. Ater a LOT of effort, finally had to accept defeat on this one and we went up to 22 cal so we could still compete in the OneGun Challenge. What I've seen with the LabRadar is that it's marginally stable and small gusts of wind can upset it and then get a big flier.
What I've also experienced since that time is that the 10.3s and 13.4 mrd's stay stable to WAY past 100 yds but the bc is so low that small gusts move them quite a bit... therefore SERIOUSLY more difficult to compensate for the wind and keep your shots in. The 13.4 mrd's are pretty impressive though.
As you say, the 177s are a ton of fun, just not going to be competitive with the 22/25.4s, 25/33.4s, or 30s or even the 20/15.89s.
I was working on a Steyr LG100 a while back... just 12 ft lb and it shot SO incredible in the mild conditions that day that I decided to throw a few at 100.

The first 3 are stacked on the right and I could barely feel a change so held a little for the 4th but not enough, and just a tiny bit more change on the 5th so I was holding about 2 inches on it but blew it further. Notice the vertical . This was 8.4s at 800...
Soo... the little 177s can shoot 100 yds... yes... but can they compete w the big boys?... probably not at that range... Still a hoot though...
Bob

If you want to shooting 100 yard with 177 cal. Using slug

Shooting Targets said:

Well, as the question notes, to you long distance air gun gu-rus....

I was at the range today shooting 50 yards. Checked the wind an a 2 mph wind seem to push the pellet about 1/2 to 1 inch at 50 yards.
I finally bought a wind meter to try to really clamp down on shooting. So i like to shoot .177 because of the minimal air usage and increase shot count.
My question to you guys that have shot all the calibers what do you think about shooting 100 to 125 yards with a .177 ?

Today I realized how small of weather changes effect pellet drift. So in your opinion are there huge advantages shooting the .25 or .3 at 100 to 125 yards ?
If you could give example between these calibers that be great.

I shot at 100 yards today it was not very windy but my grouping were just ok. I got them on target but probably a 3 to 6 inch group. I was shooting an impact .177 at about 850 to 890 fps.
Am I asking to much from this Caliber or is it my shooting ? I do have other calibers but have not tested out shooting that far.

Jay

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Personally have an excellent shooting 35-38 fpe rifle in .177 caliber. Shooting JSB Beast or H&N Sniper magnums ( 15-16 grain weights ) or the NSA 15 slug it shoots very very well !!! But it does start falling apart as you near 100 yards and beyond. In dead still air it is shockingly near hole in hole ... Wind is NOT your friend & how often do we get to shoot in no wind conditions ?

It is however one of the Most Fun to shoot ... flat & fast for sure !

I have always heard that .177 takes more air because of the smaller diameter ports and bore . , maybe i heard wrong ?

beerthief said:

I have always heard that .177 takes more air because of the smaller diameter ports and bore . , maybe i heard wrong ?

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More pressure due to having less bore area .... volume of air required somewhat proportional to the smaller area as well and actually lower than larger calibers. Very valve type dependent tho and incorrectly set up can be air hogs at high output

Hey, I recognize those shoes in the photos there Arzrover

This can get complicated but to keep it simple. I think if you're going to shoot for distance, 100 yards and more. a bigger caliber will be more stable because of heaver ammo. Most .177 pcp can't push a heavy enough pellet or slug to overcome this problem. Keep in mind I have only been shooting pcps for 4 years.

357cal said:

This can get complicated but to keep it simple. I think if you're going to shoot for distance, 100 yards and more. a bigger caliber will be more stable because of heaver ammo. Most .177 pcp can't push a heavy enough pellet or slug to overcome this problem. Keep in mind I have only been shooting pcps for 4 years.

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in the hands of what someone who knows what they are doing a 177 in a super accurate set up who really knows how to read wind will devastate a person shooting a 30 cal who cant read the wind and only has an average gun..... so all depeneds on the shooter and how accurate said .177 is..
for instance my raw bm500 177 25 meters its pointless... the guns so accurate 25 meters is a waiste of time......at 50 meters groups less than half of a coin are easy.... and at 100 yards groups are very small.....if u know the wind... the 177 will amaze u in a super accurate set up

Shooting Targets said:

Well, as the question notes, to you long distance air gun gu-rus....

I was at the range today shooting 50 yards. Checked the wind an a 2 mph wind seem to push the pellet about 1/2 to 1 inch at 50 yards.
I finally bought a wind meter to try to really clamp down on shooting. So i like to shoot .177 because of the minimal air usage and increase shot count.
My question to you guys that have shot all the calibers what do you think about shooting 100 to 125 yards with a .177 ?

Today I realized how small of weather changes effect pellet drift. So in your opinion are there huge advantages shooting the .25 or .3 at 100 to 125 yards ?
If you could give example between these calibers that be great.

I shot at 100 yards today it was not very windy but my grouping were just ok. I got them on target but probably a 3 to 6 inch group. I was shooting an impact .177 at about 850 to 890 fps.
Am I asking to much from this Caliber or is it my shooting ? I do have other calibers but have not tested out shooting that far.

Jay

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Mass matters - try pushing a fat person around then try pushing a skinny person, yeah mass matters

Shooting Targets said:

Well, as the question notes, to you long distance air gun gu-rus....

I was at the range today shooting 50 yards. Checked the wind an a 2 mph wind seem to push the pellet about 1/2 to 1 inch at 50 yards.
I finally bought a wind meter to try to really clamp down on shooting. So i like to shoot .177 because of the minimal air usage and increase shot count.
My question to you guys that have shot all the calibers what do you think about shooting 100 to 125 yards with a .177 ?

Today I realized how small of weather changes effect pellet drift. So in your opinion are there huge advantages shooting the .25 or .3 at 100 to 125 yards ?
If you could give example between these calibers that be great.

I shot at 100 yards today it was not very windy but my grouping were just ok. I got them on target but probably a 3 to 6 inch group. I was shooting an impact .177 at about 850 to 890 fps.
Am I asking to much from this Caliber or is it my shooting ? I do have other calibers but have not tested out shooting that far.

Jay

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Biggest issue I‘ve observed with long range .177 target shooting is being able to see the hits well past around 75yds or so.

LD

I am having trouble getting pellets to do as well as slugs at the longer distances 90 - 100 yards ( .177 caliber )
BUT ! i must also say that it is very far from i have tried the pellets as much as i have tried slugs, so it might well just be a matter of me trying harder.

Therealld said:

Biggest issue I‘ve observed with long range .177 target shooting

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Yes a good backing is a must, i use cardboard and then Shoot N see splatter targets, if i miss the target the hole in the cardboard are still very easy to see with a 24 X magnification scope.
Lately i have also used the back side of BR50 papers to put my 2" splatter targets on, when you are not missing a lot 8 targets on the A5 paper sized BR50 paper is fine.
I will have to find other papers for this though, CUZ its too bad to shoot BR50 papers that way, and i am not brave enough to put it up the correct way but then shoot it at almost 2 X longer distance than it was meant for.

A painted gong or just metal plate is also fine, i am just a bit annoyed of the larger " holes " you get using something like that, but up close no problem seeing exactly where your pellet / slug hit

Shooting .177 at 100 yards is not really a problem, when using slugs

10 shot groups around MOA or just under is something I am able to with several of my rifles

Centercut said:

All I can say is for 100Y benchrest, don't bring a knife to a gunfight...

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During the winter season, I am doing indoor 10 meter standing with an FWB 800x, Last summer, I did Standing with a FX Crown 22 GRS, 700mm, @ 50 yd, 100 yd. learned plenty, and did enjoy everything about it.

Planning to try 50 yd , 100 yd standing, with the 177 FXB 800x, which is factory set at approx 550 fps.
A little searching , "shooting the breeze", shows that the FWB 800 Field Target model, can be set to 800 fps max with an 8.4 grain pellet.
Assuming that the spring and hammer , valve are the same for both the X and FT, I will turn my spring up on the X and see what happens.
I have a chrono, so should be fun. Start at 550 fps, and increase slowly, see if I can see where the rainbow zone is.

My guess is to try what I have now, HN 8.4 wadcutter pellet, and try others , of different weights, shapes , If needed.
Am trying to find the twist rate for the barrel, some where approx 14:1, to 17.1? re: tossing around, either slug or pellet situation, heavy or light slug question for barrel twist, at what point is a heavy slug twist # barrel for 177 slugs? Use the proper slug weight for the twist, try it and find out would be the answer.

Remembering that the FX GRS, pellet using 23:1 , heavy slug barrel using 16:1, so I should be all set with my 14 to 17 range twist, with any and all slugs in 177...?

Any advice or comments , very much appreciated. Thank you, R

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During the winter season, I am doing indoor 10 meter standing with an FWB 800x, Last summer, I did Standing with a FX Crown 22 GRS, 700mm, @ 50 yd, 100 yd. learned plenty, and did enjoy everything about it.

Planning to try 50 yd , 100 yd standing, with the 177 FXB 800x, which is factory set at approx 550 fps.
A little searching , "shooting the breeze", shows that the FWB 800 Field Target model, can be set to 800 fps max with an 8.4 grain pellet.
Assuming that the spring and hammer , valve are the same for both the X and FT, I will turn my spring up on the X and see what happens.
I have a chrono, so should be fun. Start at 550 fps, and increase slowly, see if I can see where the rainbow zone is.

My guess is to try what I have now, HN 8.4 wadcutter pellet, and try others , of different weights, shapes , If needed.
Am trying to find the twist rate for the barrel, some where approx 14:1, to 17.1? re: tossing around, either slug or pellet situation, heavy or light slug question for barrel twist, at what point is a heavy slug twist # barrel for 177 slugs? Use the proper slug weight for the twist, try it and find out would be the answer.

Remembering that the FX GRS, pellet using 23:1 , heavy slug barrel using 16:1, so I should be all set with my 14 to 17 range twist, with any and all slugs in 177...?

Any advice or comments , very much appreciated. Thank you, R

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heaver slug or pellets needs faster twist rate

alpineboard said:

During the winter season, I am doing indoor 10 meter standing with an FWB 800x, Last summer, I did Standing with a FX Crown 22 GRS, 700mm, @ 50 yd, 100 yd. learned plenty, and did enjoy everything about it.

Planning to try 50 yd , 100 yd standing, with the 177 FXB 800x, which is factory set at approx 550 fps.
A little searching , "shooting the breeze", shows that the FWB 800 Field Target model, can be set to 800 fps max with an 8.4 grain pellet.
Assuming that the spring and hammer , valve are the same for both the X and FT, I will turn my spring up on the X and see what happens.
I have a chrono, so should be fun. Start at 550 fps, and increase slowly, see if I can see where the rainbow zone is.

My guess is to try what I have now, HN 8.4 wadcutter pellet, and try others , of different weights, shapes , If needed.
Am trying to find the twist rate for the barrel, some where approx 14:1, to 17.1? re: tossing around, either slug or pellet situation, heavy or light slug question for barrel twist, at what point is a heavy slug twist # barrel for 177 slugs? Use the proper slug weight for the twist, try it and find out would be the answer.

Remembering that the FX GRS, pellet using 23:1 , heavy slug barrel using 16:1, so I should be all set with my 14 to 17 range twist, with any and all slugs in 177...?

Any advice or comments , very much appreciated. Thank you, R

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177 slugs over 16gr work very well in 1:14 twist

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Best of both worlds?

cavedweller said:

Mass matters - try pushing a fat person around then try pushing a skinny person, yeah mass matters

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Try telling my wife that. That tiny woman has been pushing my big ass around for 30 years.

I just replaced my 22 cal 600 mm barrel with a .177 600 mm barrel on my Crown MK2. It shot 13.4 gr JSB KO slugs at 995. Really good accuracy at 50 yards, but at 100 yards, the wind caused the groups to open up quite a bit.